Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[AaronFrost]

Probably gonna reread this thread with fresh eyes at some point. Not tonight but sometime soon.

[Luca Blight]

Frost, has your read on rb changed at all?

[AaronFrost]

Nope

[Luca Blight]

Do you not think he makes some fair points against Kerset?

[AaronFrost]

He does and my opinions could change upon a reread

[rb]

hot take: luca is scum and kerset and I are both town

or more collaboratively: suppose i was wrong about kerset, and we were both town. how would the rest of you feel about Luca's angle on our slots?

So now you're backtracking? How did you come to this conclusion?

yeah that was the quote that confused me too

it's a hypothetical, i wanted to involve people in the discussion who were townreading both kerset and myself

[rb]

Nope

you're making a playstyle read because i actually do stuff

[rb]

so what's everyone's opinion on Sujimuchi?

[Wooper]

his reads are sketch and his catchup's been creepin me out but i didn't mind his older posts

[Luca Blight]

My opinion on Suj hasn’t changed. I think he’s been playing it safe the whole way through and is careful not to get his hands dirty, so a scum-lean for me.

[Luca Blight]

Rb, why do you Townread Billy?

[rb]

i liked his earlier posts

idk what to think about the rest atm

[skitter30]

a) Fair criticism. I am playing differently than I did in 2099.

b) Nothing fabricated here, but what kinds of things do you think I should be reacting to?

a) why are you playing differently?

b) i particularly disliked your nom vote and vote on me. I'm not sure why nom's flub vote was a voteworthy event
And the vote on me is one of the places i was thinking you reacted weirdly ...

Both of these felt like very ~snap~ reactions, if that makes sense

Oh i guess i figured out how to articulate the difference compared ro the mini - you feel a lot more reactive and like ~less thought ~ is going into your posts almost

[skitter30]

hot take: luca is scum and kerset and I are both town

or more collaboratively: suppose i was wrong about kerset, and we were both town. how would the rest of you feel about Luca's angle on our slots?

So now you're backtracking? How did you come to this conclusion?

yeah that was the quote that confused me too

it's a hypothetical, i wanted to involve people in the discussion who were townreading both kerset and myself

This was not clear to me at the time but when you say it like this i see what you were going for

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'm still honestly confused by your Billy scumread

pedit: I have doubts on Skitter scum, I have empirical evidence that she tends to make weird reads based on a few factors

it's a read that's getting a little stale i think

but i dont' like how he basically went from

voting suji for his bad reaction to my initial vote on him

and then

went to ~voting me for making that vote

~

it looks like he reread the game and forgot what his original position was, and made up a new one.

like i don't know how he gets to the exact opposite conclusion there when he reads the same posts a couple of different times

It looks to me like you got this timeline wrong. You started out voting PM. Theres some setup spec, then Suji comes in with the naked vote at 34. At 51, Skitter calls out Suji for the scummy RVS vote. Theres a discussion between Suji and Skitt but Skitt doesn't vote Suji. I initially vote Suji based on Suji's explanation appealing to these vague reasons that Suji doesn't explain, but then promises that they'll give reasoning later. Then at 77, I realize that Skitt's pushed Suji, even had a small 1v1 and never voted them. That felt even scummier than Suji's request for more time so I voted Skitt. Skitt doesn't vote me until 218 at a time when me and Suji are both voting Skitt.

So Skitt, I voted you initially for making a push without a vote, now you're claiming that I voted you after you voted me but the opposite is true. Whyd you get that wrong?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I dont like the rb wagon right now. My read came around on that. Aaron isnt a bad vote at the moment, but I think Kerset is the best chance for scum at the moment.

a) what do u think of the fact that i was voting rb
b) i feel like you're positioning yourself to get onto aaron if that wagon ever happens, which i find to be a convenient read to have given that several other people have stated scumreads on aaron

a) at the time I cast my vote, the entire rb wagon were my scum leans. So I didn't like your vote either if that's what you were asking.
b) I had an option between three equal wagons when I voted, Kerset, Aaron, and rb. I think Kerset has been playing slightly more scummy than Aaron, but at the moment, I'd lynch anywhere in that pool. FWIW, I think you have the most scum equity of the three.

I think your early push w/o a vote on Suji was bad. I think you then misrepped the situation and acted like you had voted him. And you did the same thing, acting like you voted me and I reacted to your vote, when I had voted you first, and your vote was probably a reaction to mine.

VOTE: Skitter

[Something_Smart]

I think your early push w/o a vote on Suji was bad. I think you then misrepped the situation and acted like you had voted him. And you did the same thing, acting like you voted me and I reacted to your vote, when I had voted you first, and your vote was probably a reaction to mine.

Can you link the relevant posts here?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I think your early push w/o a vote on Suji was bad. I think you then misrepped the situation and acted like you had voted him. And you did the same thing, acting like you voted me and I reacted to your vote, when I had voted you first, and your vote was probably a reaction to mine.

Can you link the relevant posts here?

Sure, initial rvs vote is 11.
Push w/o a vote is 50
I vote Suji at 60
I vote Skitt at 77
Skitt votes me at 218
The misrep is at 684

I think that's it, but if I made another claim that you want me to link to let me know.

[Something_Smart]

Thank you.

I don't see anything logically wrong with 684, other than that she forgot 50 didn't contain a vote. The sentiment is valid; you voted Suji for a bad reaction to 50 and then later voted skitter for 50-- it raises the question of, what changed between 60 and 77 that suddenly made 50 worth voting?

[Something_Smart]

A question, I'll note, that skitter didn't pose, nor did she seem to care about the answer to it.

[skitter30]

That's been my argument this whole time, ty

Billy i'm at work but i'll respond to ur post later

[skitter30]

I didnt word it that way but that's effectively what i'm getting at

[Something_Smart]

I don't see her suggesting that you reacted to her vote on you anywhere in the linked posts. "My initial vote on him" in 684 refers to her (imaginary) vote on Suji, not her (real) vote on you.

[skitter30]

VOTE: Wooper

Scummy rvs vote

If you think its scummy why'd you keep your vote on your random target?

VOTE: Skitter

Werent you just voting suij for havint a bad response to me saying his rvs vote was bad?

^

[skitter30]

Oh i didnt actually vote suji there, my bad.