Newbie 1963 - Game Over

[gardenia]

@Datisi; I agree - Mari (or Marion?) is much better since the user's a she. Not sure where Mario started but won't call her that anymore. (Sorry Marionette!)

P.S feelsbad cause my name is so long yet everyone writes it out completely everytime

[Datisi]

@FF
Oh, you'll care about it.

@bugspray

Can you please show me where Uncrowned reacted to heat in a way you scumread? I thought his replies to my pressuring were quite Towny.

i'd rather not give anything specific so that he knows what not to do again

oops, I missed this on the first readthrough. And whoooo boy I do not like it.

VOTE: bugspray
Might wanna start singing soon.

@g...
I can call you "gard" or "garden" if you'd like. Or anything else really.

[Formerfish]

@FF
Oh, you'll care about it.

Maybe? I dunno yet.

[Datisi]

Trust me, you will.

[Formerfish]

Trust me, you will.

Want to share why, or do you just want to be cryptic for no reason?

[Datisi]

I like being cryptic. :)

[Formerfish]

Wait, are we talking about your slot or vote?

[bugspray]

I'm not gonna bother defending myself because I've never really been successful at it. A day 1 mislynch is common on d1 and I don't mind being thee player who is dies like that.

What kind of song would you like me to sing?

[Formerfish]

If you are town giving up is the worst thing you can do beacsue your wagon will be unreadable.

You are giving scum a reason to jump on you without any real fear of repercussions

[bugspray]

Ok scumfish then hop off with your naked vote

[Formerfish]

Ok scumfish then hop off with your naked vote

umm what?

My vote is where it is because someone told me not to do that. I feel like if someone voting someone but doesnt want them lynched then thats an issue, no?

[Datisi]

Doesn't matter.

Bugs, maybe you should answer my question that you refused to earlier?

[Uncrowned]

@bugspray Not sure what you saw in my responses after people voted on me, I just explained my perspective to Datisi when he voted on me (for reference, post 226 and 238. Would also prefer if you did defend yourself and give explanations for your reads since even little things can be helpful.

[Uncrowned]

Sorry, when she voted on me not he. Also I'll set my pronoun I thought I had one

[Datisi]

Don't worry about it Uncrowned, I don't really care which one people use.

[bugspray]

Bugs, maybe you should answer my question that you refused to earlier?

Can you link to the post, quote it, or restate it? i have no clue what question you are referring to (unless my second answer to tht question got eaten as well)

@bugspray Not sure what you saw in my responses after people voted on me, I just explained my perspective to Datisi when he voted on me (for reference, post 226 and 238. Would also prefer if you did defend yourself and give explanations for your reads since even little things can be helpful.

You were defending yourself way too hard than I'd expect a town to. Getting lynched as mafia is apocalyptic, getting mislynched as a townie on day1 is no big deal tbh.

overlal Idk maybe I'm just used to being the n1 memekill in physical mafia games and I'm just sort of emotionally detached from dying in this game. It's caused me to always want to play as either scummish or idiot town so that I can dodge the mislynch for a while and also be generally an ugly target to nightkill

[Datisi]

I literally quoted it when voting for you. Refusing to state why Uncrowned was scummy.

So, if you didn't see that, and you refused to answer my question originally, why did you answer Uncrowned about it?

[Uncrowned]

^ I'm sorry but that rubbed me the wrong way. My vote was a random vote -

I don't want to be put into a wagon.

VOTE: Marionette because you're still the person

I want to talk to the most.

Bolded- why dont you wanna be on a wagon? How are you going to get a read off him without that pressure.

Italics- This is a tactic that new scum often uses because it makes it look like you are being active and are making a pressure push, but you are basically naked voting that slot and saying that you want them to post, which is why you voted them which defeats the purpose of the vote in the first place because now the guy knows why you are voitng him and how to change.

But until then your vote is being used, but in a way that is not likely to do any damage at all.

I agree here in regards to the wagon and vote usage, even if the pressure was being applied on me it's still beneficial to town as we're seeing how people react.

I think Mari is another one of those "easy votes" that I'm not willing to make just yet. That's the second time I've noticed Garden making one of these (the first was on Fish at the start of the game). Would like more of an explanation on that if you could, Garden.

Even though Mari's behaviour has been odd to me, it was only in a couple of posts. Not enough to go off of yet. I'd prefer our votes pressure someone who we know is around and will give their thoughts.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: bug

die chibbette die

[Uncrowned]

@bugspray I'm going to defend myself hard, that's how I am in social deduction games. Not everyone likes that style, but that's how I do things.

[bugspray]

So, if you didn't see that, and you refused to answer my question originally, why did you answer Uncrowned about it?

because the thing I was waiting to happen (crown respond to my accusation of a tell) happened and then I could get info from it

[Datisi]

Okay, what info did you get from it?

[bugspray]

I learned that other people think that mislynching me is a bigger deal that I think it is and that it's entirely possible the thing I thought was a tell from crown is literally just how he plays

[Datisi]

Mate, here's the thing. If you're Town, you understand that lynching Town = very bad no good. And you only know for sure that you yourself are Town. Therefore, if people are trying to lynch you, you know it's a Town lynch incoming. You have to fight it.

Tell me, what happens if every single Town in game goes "lol kill me my death doesn't matter"?

[teacher]

@teacher

but I feel like the vote on Fish is the easiest one to make at the moment, since he's been the most aggressive player thus far.

This is very true. I know Fish well, which is why I voted him -- I thought he would be easy to wagon and I wanted to give people looking for lhf some "cover", being willing to scumread those who joined without independent reasons. Thats not how it played out, with only Gardenia joining. I got some tweaks from how Gyro kept his options open on the apparent leading wagons of Fish and me (even pairing us), but no other biters.

Anyways, now that I have outed the semi-reaction test, its time to
VOTE: Gyro
from its results, and for general lack of advancing content.

So, how serious were the "accusations" in 79, 102, 116, 127? And what do you make of gardenia's vote?

And semi-off-topic, I thought the quiet/lurky players were the easiest to vote/wagon?

I’m glad accusations was in quotes - none of those called FF scummy, and all were about only one post of his. I didn’t (and don’t) understand why he outted how I use the rqs questions. To me it’s a bit lamisty (look ma, I do meta) in a way that doesn’t benefit. So I was asking him about it. Those were genuine, but not “accusations” at least to my understanding.

Gardenias vote was natural and totally good. The sass of it contrasted with the desire not to be the bad guy suggests a lack of extra knowledge.