Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[Elements]

oversoul, would you be happy sparing mastina?

[Oversoul]

Over myself? No

Debating if we should spare or fight today since it was ruined yesterday

[Chemist1422]

Over myself? No

Debating if we should spare or fight today since it was ruined yesterday

I’m not sorry

Stop trying to guilt trip me

[Elements]

Over myself? No

Over anyone not yourself

[Oversoul]

I could probably do Chemist

[mastina]

Mastina let me know when you're around. I want to talk to you in live conversation because going back and forth on walls is gonna be bleh and something I don't care for

Live conversation is an honor reserved for players who I have a desire to engage in live conversation with.

It is otherwise something I deliberately avoid.

If you had done something which gave me a desire to engage you in live conversation, I'd consider it--but for basically the whole game you've been doing the literal opposite of what I wanted.
On D1 you refused to spare.
On D2 you spared Ginngie when I wanted to fight.
On D3, you lynched my strongest townread when I wanted to spare.

What can you give me in live conversation that will change that?
You can very easily convince me that the two scum are Elements/Chemist.
You could maybe convince me that my original scumread on Rakan was right even though I think my logic surrounding why he's town is sound.
You could maybe convince me to fight instead of spare.
But you won't be convincing me that Oversoul is scum.
And as long as Oversoul is town.
I don't see a reason to not spare him.

[Chemist1422]

I don't really want Oversoul spared

If we're sparing anyone today I'd prefer myself or mastina

[Xayah]

Mastina let me know when you're around. I want to talk to you in live conversation because going back and forth on walls is gonna be bleh and something I don't care for

Live conversation is an honor reserved for players who I have a desire to engage in live conversation with.

It is otherwise something I deliberately avoid.

If you had done something which gave me a desire to engage you in live conversation, I'd consider it--but for basically the whole game you've been doing the literal opposite of what I wanted.
On D1 you refused to spare.
On D2 you spared Ginngie when I wanted to fight.
On D3, you lynched my strongest townread when I wanted to spare.

What can you give me in live conversation that will change that?
You can very easily convince me that the two scum are Elements/Chemist.
You could maybe convince me that my original scumread on Rakan was right even though I think my logic surrounding why he's town is sound.
You could maybe convince me to fight instead of spare.
But you won't be convincing me that Oversoul is scum.
And as long as Oversoul is town.
I don't see a reason to not spare him.

You see this is a 2 way road right?

You never engaged with me on any on your issues.
You never questioned me on anything either.

We've played together before and even worked well together before so saying you only give live conversation to certain people and you wouldn't do it for me is just being rude for the sake of it.
I want to have a live conversation because it's the best way I can get to read you. I don't really care much of how you read X nor do I want you to do Y right now I want to sort you for my own sake. Because if I can sort you I'm pretty confident in my readstate considering what we've had going on today.

[Oversoul]

I don't really want Oversoul spared

If we're sparing anyone today I'd prefer myself or mastina

Why don't you townread me? I find this odd given our playing history together, Chemist.

I want to townread Mastina, but I honestly can't read her for the life of me. She will always occupy my blindspot and I honestly can't tell if she's buddying me or if this legitimate. It is a sad comment on my play when I base a lot of my scumreads on how people read me. I guess that's hypocritical and contradictory though.

That said, I do not like how fast this game is going. I apologize for contributing to it the first game day, but I don't think how we ended the last two days is what we should do for this game day.

Xayah, what are your current reads? Your hammer on nacho came out of nowhere.

[Chemist1422]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

[Oversoul]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

What is particularly bad about my hammer?

[Chemist1422]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

What is particularly bad about my hammer?

I had literally just asked Rakan to do something before they got spared and your hammer stopped them from doing it

[Xayah]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

What is particularly bad about my hammer?

I had literally just asked Rakan to do something before they got spared and your hammer stopped them from doing it

This same exact logic can be used on you since that's what you did to me lol

[Chemist1422]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

What is particularly bad about my hammer?

I had literally just asked Rakan to do something before they got spared and your hammer stopped them from doing it

This same exact logic can be used on you since that's what you did to me lol

Not really

Rakan was always going to be the D1 spare
D3 there was conflict being Oversoul spare and Nacho kill

[Elements]

HEAL: mastina

[popsofctown]

Spare Votecount 4.1>

Elements ------

mastina --------

(1)

Elements

Xayah ---------

Oversoul ------

(1)

mastina

Chemist1422 -

Not sparing:

- (3) Xayah, Oversoul, Chemist1422

Fight Votecount 4.0>

Elements -----

mastina -

Xayah -

Oversoul ----

Chemist1422 -

Not Fighting:

- (5) Elements, mastina, Xayah, Oversoul, Chemist1422

<3<3

Elements was the last to see Wisdom's body, since he had to carefully lower himself to the right angle to peek in through the window. When he finally saw the gory truth, he crooned a sharp pitched cry that protested the reality in front of him.
In a surprising maneuver, Elements grabbed all of the other Snowdin residents with his tail, then looked in their faces all at once, trying to see an obvious murderer.
But yet, he saw friends.
He noticed another pattern too.
"We are all so strong. The cowards doing this are targeting the weak or disabled among us. But there's no one weak left. Oversoul has a nice suit of armor even if he is small, and Chemist1422 is powerful with his magic and wit even without mastina's strength. Xayah needs no explanation. So we shouldn't have to hurt someone and risk a mistake like Nachomamma8. Let's finish the treehouse, instead, so that it has room for us to join Rakan and Ginngie and keep them safe. They are not so strong."

With five alive and unspared, it takes three votes to make a decision.

(expired on 2019-11-01 23:06:42)

[Oversoul]

I’ll get to this when I’m in a better mood. But I don’t know if I’ll ever be in a better mood since the deadline is close.

[mastina]

We've played together before and even worked well together before

I seem to recall that the one and only time that happened, we were both scum of different factions in a multiball game.

I want to have a live conversation because it's the best way I can get to read you.

Well I honestly don't see the point in spending time to get you to read me. I'm not getting lynched today and since I don't even want to be spared (I want to spare Oversoul), I don't see why having you townread me would be a priority. If you vote me, I'm not getting lynched; if you don't spare me because you're not townreading me, that's actually my preference.

Basically I don't see the reason why I'd need to let you have a read on me.

The one and only reason why I'd want you to have a read on me is if you having a read on me gets you to spare Oversoul.
If as a result of you having a read on me, beit townread or scumread, you spared Oversoul? Sure, yeah, putting in that effort is a worthy investment on my part.
But if you having a read on me determines whether you vote me or don't, or if you having a read on me determines whether you spare me or don't, well, the former won't lead to my lynch and the latter isn't something I even want. So I don't see a reason for it.

[Oversoul]

I’ll be here tonight but just saying if I don’t go then Chemist should be the one to go.

[Elements]

Mastina, why would you not want to be spared today? If you think the two currently spared are town it clears all three of you as town - perspective from town you. No one shouldn't want to be the spare today. So why don't you want to be spared?

[Chemist1422]

HEAL: mastina

feeling strongest on this

[Elements]

HEAL: mastina

feeling strongest on this

HEAL: pops
I want mastina to answer my question before this gets hammered

[mastina]

Mastina, why would you not want to be spared today? If you think the two currently spared are town it clears all three of you as town - perspective from town you. No one shouldn't want to be the spare today. So why don't you want to be spared?

Simple, really.
I know my own alignment.
If we were going full pacifist, yes, I'd spare myself…

…But because a certain SOMEONE decided to fucking hammer Nacho, that option is no longer available.

If we could win by sparing four town, I'd want to spare myself. But because SOMEONE decided to fucking LYNCH yesterday, we can't win by sparing someone today.

Since we can't win by sparing someone today.
We should use the lynch or spare as an investigation.

Sparing a third town gives us three conftown.
If I am not spared, I know all three of them, plus myself, to be town.
But if *I* am the one spared, then there's only two conftown. Because I already know myself to be town, sparing me would be a waste.

Thus.

The optimal spare is someone who is town, other than myself.

It needs to not be someone who could be scum, too, to help confirm Rakan%s alignment.
If there was one scum spared, well, it wasn't Ginngie and I am confident that it wouldn't be Over soul, so poe would say Rakan.
But if I spared you, and it was revealed that one scum was spared, we'd have a 50/50. I'd lean towards you being the scum over Rakan, but the results would be ambiguous.

Basically, if we spare someone today, it should be someone who we are confident is town, yet who is not me because I already know that I am town.

[Elements]

HEAL: oversoul

[popsofctown]

Belated flavor in VC