Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[RadiantCowbells]

I have called Shoshin 100% lockscum on the first few pages of every single game she's been scum, ever. She's never been mislynched in a game where we were t-t.

You're arrogant and stupid if you think that your read on her, whatever it is, whatever your reasons, outweigh that, particularly when she has a staggering tendency to get townread for the most banal shit imaginable.

Idk

I read day one again

Every time I do I'm like

Yeah

You all can get fucked for not listening to me

[RadiantCowbells]

I have gone through her ISO in this game 7 or 8 times now. Every time my conclusion is that these are transparent scumposts with nothing redeeming about them. And yet she still has half the field calling her town for no reason. I don't understand it, it's painful for me, it makes me frustrated and angry, I kinda feel like people are refusing this because they just want to stick it to me even if they know that what I'm saying is true.

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly I'm remembering why I hammered Oversoul in the first place

If you're pointing fingers at me for this loss and you're not literally gif then you have a problem

[RadiantCowbells]

Wanting to find her partner was BoP, public cop I was just too tired from badtown shitting on my correct read to pursue it.
Honestly I'm getting to the same point in this game where I don't really care if this is a loss if townies let themselves be convinced that I'm an arrogant moron despite how many statistical measures show my competence.

Btw I got back to this post

And then discorded Nancy telling her I wanted to hammer OS

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I can say with fairly high certainty this game ends up being a town loss from here if I don't brute force it onto a better path, but otoh I don't really want to brute force it onto another path.

dont have one and i usually misread her anyway

I was talking to Yukyukz not you because they had this weird engagement with Shoshin because they voted them for saying that Sakura Hana could be scum.

Tadaaa

[RadiantCowbells]

And like

When I kept going after her despite her trust tell

You all started calling me scum and saying shit like "I don't know what my read is on her"

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Shoshin

People scumleaning me literally have no idea to read me. Let me teach you.

Is Oversoul lurking?
If yes, scum.
If no, town.

This concludes our lesson.

Shoshin is conftown in my eyes.

Also Shoshin, congratulations on Peace Corps! That’s amazing.
I applied but I did not get in

Says the person blaming me for the loss when I was calling Shoshin scum btw.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think giving the baton to Shoshin is a joke except it's not at all a funny one.

Why? She has just as high a town winrate as you and the downsides are significantly less.

Cici you get three kills before night, pragmatically you should not be super upset if you don’t get baton.

Shoshin is not a reasonable baton today, I think that's pretty obvious.

I think giving the baton to Shoshin is a joke except it's not at all a funny one.

Why? She has just as high a town winrate as you and the downsides are significantly less.

1) her town winrate is a good bit lower than mine
2) the question isn't that, the question is about is she town and is she likely to get killed and I think she's never a nightkill and i'm not sure if she's town.

Cici you get three kills before night, pragmatically you should not be super upset if you don’t get baton.

I find the idea of Shoshin specifically getting it somewhat offensive to my sensibilities and I'd rather it go to Nacho if it's not going to me.

Shoshin is not a reasonable baton today, I think that's pretty obvious.

Why...?

RC, why don’t you think Shoshin is town at this juncture?

Shoshin scum definitely does not post the ultimatum that she did. Plus she is very much playing to her town meta of not lurking. NSG is a player with the same type of meta. Transparently scum by activity alone.

But nah its my fault we lost right OS?

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyone else living in a glass house want to start casting stones?

[Alisae]

Shoshin AtE’d in a mafia game and made it toxic?
WAAAAAAAAT
NO WAAAAAAAY
THATS IMPOSSIBLE!

[RadiantCowbells]

If all the people who didn't listen to me on Shoshin D1 plan on ignoring someone I say I'm 100% sure is scum and ask to be boped on in a next game feel free to not have a next game.

[Alisae]

Wow its almost like it wasn’t the first time that it happened that maybe she’s just a manipulative person that AtEs because they want to exploit decent empathetic human beings (or as to put it into shoshin’s viewpoint, suckers)

[RadiantCowbells]

The issue isn't the AtE it's the rulebreaking

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if I threaten to sub out to get Shoshin lynched you can be sure I'd get replaced and banned for it so it's an uneven playing field when she can talk about subbing out as one alignment to townspew and I can't.

[Alisae]

Like if I threaten to sub out

BANNED

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Shoshin

People scumleaning me literally have no idea to read me. Let me teach you.

Is Oversoul lurking?
If yes, scum.
If no, town.

This concludes our lesson.

Shoshin is conftown in my eyes.

Also Shoshin, congratulations on Peace Corps! That’s amazing.
I applied but I did not get in

Says the person blaming me for the loss when I was calling Shoshin scum btw.

Damn right. You didn’t vote her slot when it counted most. I don’t know why you’re trying so hard to defend a game you don’t care about when it’s not even going on your game record. hitoshrug

[Oversoul]

Love how RC is saying I was tied to that Shoshin read within the first 15% of the game. Newsflash this game was over 400 pages. I told my reasoning for the Shoshin read. Not lurking + trust tell. I’m sorry that I also fell for the trust tell bit that supplanted my activity read on her.

[RadiantCowbells]

Past creates the present creates the future and if I didn't get shat on, scumread, accused of policy scumreading her cuz she wasn't voting me and all that jazz maybe I wouldn't have been bullied out of that correct read.

[Oversoul]

Legitimately RC I think the only one who was shat on was me. People wanted me to lose way more than people wanted you to lose.

[RadiantCowbells]

Acting like having a scumread and every single townie in the game saying that you're wrong and scumreading you for having that scumread isn't going to influence your read is silly at best.

[RadiantCowbells]

Most of the shitting on me was done by you.

[Oversoul]

I shat on you as a joke within the first like 500 posts of the game. You can calm down with that. And when you come at me with stupid reasons to think I’m scum later in the game of course I’m goong to shit on you when you present yourself across this site (and right now) as better than everyone else. When you obviously aren’t.

[Oversoul]

Hot take: INDEPENDENT OF SKILL, GDGW is most responsible for the ultimate outcome of the game due to premature self hammering
CC-slot is second most responsible literally because of lylo and *partially* contributing to a difficult to solve atmosphere
Volpe is third most

Volpe fooled us and Oversoul was hard to read.

Volpe played a fantastic game.

And don't get me wrong

OS meta townread was PRETTY FUCKING STRONG

but if he had given me something meaningful in lylo instead of lol I don't wanna effort then idk!

I asked for the weekend and you quick hammered me. Shit the hell up about effort. You caused me not to be able to give effort.

[RadiantCowbells]

The decision was already made that town didn't deserve the win if Shoshin was scum

[Oversoul]

That’s ridiculous and borderline policy lynch worthy for both your slots.