Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[rb]

This is a really bad stance. Everyone should be lynchable every day because otherwise everyone just argues to be left alive and we get nowhere.

I mean objectively some people are harder to read on the early days. It's not like everyone has equal claim to be exempted the way I just said Xayah should be.

inb4 sirfetchd says, "this is also a bad stance"

[rb]

also, i just want to point something out here:

the only times i've had people vouch for me being kept alive at times when i've been under pressure day1, were when scum 'vouched' for me and my abilities in a game. i was town all these times, and it was scum vouching for me

so if we don't lynch xayah, we're lynching S_S imo

your pick S_S

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

I admit I am still confused that Billy out of all people in this playerlist is getting wagoned. It just feels so random, so much of an easy target to go after, the guy had barely any content and people went after him on day 1 with people making extremely dodgy posts. I still don't understand. I think that the wagon is extremely bad and probably has scum in it. I can't comprehend how people went to the conclusion that Billy was a good lynch. Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.

People vote Billy - you are mad that we ignore other potential scum.

In fact if I was to look at this wagon and point at someone who I think is scum I'd definitely vote Xayah here.

Then you suggest Xaya

Now you are mad because people vote her, even that we still got 3 days left.

My first reaction to this was that it’s a surprisingly good point from Kerset, but then I realised that it’s just a passive observation/shade and they aren’t really endeavoring to solve the game at all.

Kerset, what is your read on Xayah?

[rb]

what's your preferred lynch today Luca?

kerset?

[Luca Blight]

Guys what are you doing? Are we going to ignore dodgy players just like that?

I could agree to pressure Suji, if you are interested.

This is something I can agree to. Nothing from his iso makes me think he’s Town and he’s been delaying his catch-up repeatedly.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Suji

[Luca Blight]

what's your preferred lynch today Luca?

kerset?

I could go for Kerset, Billy or Suji. I’m feeling inclined to give Xayah another day.

[Sirfetchd]

This is a really bad stance. Everyone should be lynchable every day because otherwise everyone just argues to be left alive and we get nowhere.

I mean objectively some people are harder to read on the early days. It's not like everyone has equal claim to be exempted the way I just said Xayah should be.

inb4 sirfetchd says, "this is also a bad stance"

It is. I've lynched day 1 a lot players who are without question better players than the both of you and had them flip scum. And all of them argued this point. It's not a scum tell, but it is a dick move.

[Sirfetchd]

what's your preferred lynch today Luca?

kerset?

I could go for Kerset, Billy or Suji. I’m feeling inclined to give Xayah another day.

Don't feel obligated to respect egos.

[Luca Blight]

what's your preferred lynch today Luca?

kerset?

I could go for Kerset, Billy or Suji. I’m feeling inclined to give Xayah another day.

Don't feel obligated to respect egos.

It’s more due to:

1) the fact she’s a bit nearer the top of the list, and I think it makes sense to leave the likely pr’s for D1 when dubious slots further down the line exist

2) I feel like she’s someone who can be read easier going forward, which doesn’t necessarily apply to someone like Kerset and Suji

3) if she’s scum then she’s playing badly, so I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now as an experienced player. D2 she needs to step it up, however.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Kerset

[Luca Blight]

I can’t interest you in a Suji wagon, Nom?

[nomnomnom]

I'm not feeling suji, Aaron and Kerset feel like really good wagons. Do I really want to go on a lurker? I don't like it with 3 days left on the clock.

[Luca Blight]

Not just a lurker though - someone who, despite having a decent number of posts, hasn’t done anything that looks Town all game and has been playing it safe throughout. When it’s come to the business end of the day he has begun to lurk and has repeatedly delayed his catch-up, which could be tactical given the lack of time on the clock.

3 days is still enough time to put some heat on this slot. If he posts something half decent then I’ll happily switch back to Kerset.

[rb]

This is a really bad stance. Everyone should be lynchable every day because otherwise everyone just argues to be left alive and we get nowhere.

I mean objectively some people are harder to read on the early days. It's not like everyone has equal claim to be exempted the way I just said Xayah should be.

inb4 sirfetchd says, "this is also a bad stance"

It is. I've lynched day 1 a lot players who are without question better players than the both of you and had them flip scum. And all of them argued this point. It's not a scum tell, but it is a dick move.

yeah

i agree that it's a bad stance i just wanted you to be the one to say it

also i'm the best player smh

and yes i agree xayah is optimal lynch rn

[skitter30]

I actually think maria's 951 and 955 are kinda townie
Or, at least, they resonate with me

[skitter30]

Notice how other wagons took much more time to do so.

um both the xayah and aaron wagons have built p quickly just now

Nom did you address this?

[skitter30]

Mmmm so you can't answer my question. That's already flag 1.
But sure, to answer my own question back at me. I'd say look into Billy at the moment. Kerset seems like a set up lynch considering I tr them Billy Aaron interactions don't look so good to me.
Nom would go right up to obv town with Aaron scum Kerset would also look good.

This is actually p good

[skitter30]

VOTE: Xayah because I forgot to in my other posts.

you're voting xayah over kerset here because ...

Because I think they're more likely to flip red.

Why aren't you voting Xayah? You've made it apparent that you're okay with lynching them.

Because at that point i was ok with both of you and i wasnt sure yet where to go if billh wasnt going to be a thing

[skitter30]

Other players had voiced concerns about my play and you could've started a wagon on me pretty easily if you had put a little more effort into pushing me, which I think you would've if you were town who legitimately thought I was scummy.

If she's scum why didnt she just try to take advantage of that tho

[skitter30]

‘If I’m scum who is it with?’

Btw that’s a really stupid question for D1.

Luca has improved all day honestly in retrospect. I'm sorry man.

Ya

[skitter30]

Xayah.

I’m not so sure it’s a town question though - it reminds me of how I used to play as scum. If you can’t logically prove that I’m scum then you have no right to vote me.

Maria doesn't focus on logic like that especially as scum. I don't think she's a good D1 lynch anyway and I don't think anything's wrong with that question for sure.

This is a really bad stance. Everyone should be lynchable every day because otherwise everyone just argues to be left alive and we get nowhere.

This is a silly argument to make and is kinda strawman-y

[skitter30]

Guys what are you doing? Are we going to ignore dodgy players just like that?

I could agree to pressure Suji, if you are interested.

This is something I can agree to. Nothing from his iso makes me think he’s Town and he’s been delaying his catch-up repeatedly.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Suji

I agree but i'm not sure this is the right time to start a wagon on him

[skitter30]

VOTE: Kerset

I was going to go on aaron

I dont feel like suji is a good use of our remaining time rn and i still dont really want kerset

[skitter30]

VOTE: aaron

[Billy Pilgrim]

I decided that I want to look at everyone's iso to catch up. Dont know how much I'm gonna get to immediately but hopefully in the next 24 hours I will have re-read. I'm gonna go in ascending post order.

PMysterious- 3 posts. Really only one post of content where he voted rb. And the given reason was that he felt that rb's reason that Kerset had changed playstyles was NAI.

This slot is 36 hours away from prod range again, and the last time they got prodded, they posted to let us know they'd catchup, then waited 24 hours to give us that one post.

This slot is bad, but we should be able to deal with this through prs in some way.