Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[RadiantCowbells]

Like maybe you could argue it was tyranny of the majority

[Sakura Hana]

I would be very surprised if Nacho's recent posting was in any player's scum range.

Like he was the only person
Who actually earned a townread

Oh and I hope after this you stop saying that "im easy to read".

[Sakura Hana]

I truested you to be able to read me and you failed me, i no longer have faith in you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I trusted you to follow me on Shoshin

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really want to do this
I never decided what my read on you was.

I just... Didn't understand you hard defending all my scumreads

[RadiantCowbells]

My mental game never recovered from early D1.

You can hate me but I don't think it's especially relevant as a predictor of my future reads on you.

[Sakura Hana]

What shoshin did was unethical and you cant expect me to not townread her by taking her at her word.
Wisdom i didnt even townread i just got selfish about wanted to arrive to a scumread on my won to protect my own 100% read rate on him.

And on the subject of Shoshin scumread.
YOU had the hammer vote on LyLo, it was YOU who ultimately didnt vote scum to win the game in the end, you can blame everyone else for not lynching Shoshin D1, sure, but if you really SR the slot then you not lynching it on LyLo didnt make any sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whee

[Ankamius]

idk RC

like

if we end up TvT in any future game, the only way we wouldn't get into a fight and basically destroy each other is if I literally didn't play the game and just did nothing but vote

I'm not willing to do that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok so let's not play together seems like the best resolution

[Ankamius]

yup

[Oversoul]

I truested you to be able to read me and you failed me, i no longer have faith in you.

Quote of the game.

[Sakura Hana]

Fwiw. I'm not saying I would've voted differently if I was in your position.
But saying all the time "I scumread Shoshin D1 but didnt lynch her coz i got shat on" is meaningless if you dont vote the last scum when it actually mattered.
If your idea is that you wanted to lose a game on purpose then im not playing with you again.
But I have a hard time believing you SR Shoshin if you didnt hammer Volpe in LyLo.

[Volpe14]

Do keep in mind

I led on every single scum that ever flipped

And faced intense resistance from town every time.

That’s fine argument to make but you also led on every single town lynch. Just because you led on every single lynch in the game doesn’t mean you were good. It just means you were on every single lynch.

You can only claim to have good taste for wagons if you actually have restraint with who you wagon. Otherwise, it’s pointless. Of course you’re gonna kill scum if you kill literally everyone but yourself.

I mean, i feel like if scum was threatened by RC they would have killed him. Instead they let him live to post over 2,400 times in one game.

Bravo, we should have all just gone home and let the game play out with namecards in place of actual playing people.

Sorry I don't wanna be arrogant but I felt the unique threat to me here was RC and I only didn't NK him because I couldn't (he was elected bulletproof)

I don't think there was a world where I lose here without RC.

In the first place, if RC wasn't here I was going to get the baton and Oka/Oh would be around until later to support me.

Also he got 3 scum lynched and had pinpointed my slot at certain times (I don't think it was truly his the decision of hammering OS tbh). I feel like you're saying this just because you've a personal issue with him or something and I just wanted to refuse that version of the story.

[Volpe14]

Real talk though, I think RC is improving for the better as someone who's trying to be less "overbearing" but it's gradual change and something that isn't noticed over night. But RC's rep kind of just plays against him.

I feel this too

I would have had fun playing with him if I was town

[Volpe14]

I don't want to take RC side or Ank or OS or whatever

I just...

I don't know, I feel guilty about this salty post-game even if I ""won""(I'm not counting it as a win to be fair).

Maybe self-hammering there would have made this post-game less unpleasant.

[Volpe14]

Our best chance of winning was anyone other than GDGW getting lynched. Scum probably wouldn’t have killed them and I would have never lynched them in LYLO.

I was going to NK GDGW/Dann tbf.

I mean...I did it. although I seriously thought internally about bringing Dann instead of OS but like...Dann would put effort into it, and would be reluctant to vote early probably, which would make this game goes longer when I just wanted to it be over as quickly as possible.

[Volpe14]

That's why I was so fucking frustrated last time buki was scum @gif

Hmm

What do you mean by this?

am I that unpleasant to play with?

[Firebringer]

I am just glad we solved this game

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth RC, with the issues you've on how people treat your slot, one suggestion I think is that in games you should try to form some sort of block of your own, and try to not be the one to command everything because if you take all in your hands, if you're wrong people will also blame all of it on you (like the double town flips that made a 180º on you). You've this natural energy anyway therefore even if you don't command everything, if you ally up people in the game they will more likely than not listen to you.

Maybe first town hunt > block up > convince your block of killing your SRs step-by-step

If you've like, 3 players voting with you and it needs to be 6, with 4/6 by deadline you probably get whoever you want lynched.

One issue with that is that you frequently change reads therefore maybe holding down a bit by locking them scum and all (to solidify I don't know?) would help it out too.

I particularly want to play as town supporter from now on, and as town I would have either gone with you or Ank if she was putting a bit more of effort (I see why she didn't though)

[Volpe14]

RC I think you've a natural leader energy but you've trouble finding allies for long duration in a game (what I see is mostly people sheeping you when there's a scum flip but getting paranoid of you when there's a town one next), and anyway a commander without allies is always in risk I guess.

I know it's cringe wording but it's the best sleepy me has right now

[Sakura Hana]

Btw, I am not blaming RC for our loss, that's not my intention, I know there's a lot on one's hands as the conf town hammer vote on LyLo, I just think that he shouldnt be saying "I scumread Shoshin and we lost becuase people didnt want to scumread that slot" when he was the literal deciding vote in LyLo.

[Volpe14]

Some of the paranoia is a direct result of the fact that they feel you're completely deciding it RC, but if they hold a bit more of responsability in agreeing with you in "yeah, I completely see what you're talking about", maybe they'll feel less inclined to just say "scum!RC is misleading us!" and you can always use the fact that they agreed with you before against it. I guess working on people genuinely agreeing with you instead of sheeping reputation/high-scum-catch-rate is key here.

[Volpe14]

Man I wanted to coast this game with Ank/RC so hard but rolling scum just made me go "bleg!" and it let me down in a spiritual level

I was scum reading Oh for associatives before replacing though

Mostly GG that had a super wordy read on them when he gave one-liners for everyone else TRs

[Volpe14]

Almost last post but I read the game before replacing in and my lynch pool was [Oh > Dann > SS]

I wasn't scum reading Shoshin at all but I was reading her trust tell thing as NAI and I was kind of null in the slot. I kind of just scrolled down hard there because I don't try to read that kind of thing anymore.

/shrug