Newbie 1963 - Game Over

[Formerfish]

If I missed anyone, let me know.

Teacher. He and I should be on the same level btw.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh right, Teacher. I town read them. A TvS with you in fact as I stated.

[Micc]

Fuzanglong replaces Marionette.

Votecount 1.06

Gyro Zeppeli (2) -

Uncrowned, teacher

bugspray (2) -

Formerfish, Datisi

Formerfish (2) -

bugspray, JacksonVirgo

Fuzanglong (1) -

gardenia

teacher (1) -

Fuzanglong

gardenia (1) -

Gyro Zeppeli

Not Voting (0) -

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-11-07 20:25:00).

[bugspray]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

So you're just assuming I am scum? Okay then

[bugspray]

No, I'm saying that you did something very scummy just now

[JacksonVirgo]

Voting up my biggest scumread is scummy? Sounds legit

[bugspray]

Alright let me rephrase it: it's a very good play to make as scum which I guess isn't really super scummy

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright let me rephrase it: it's a very good play to make as scum which I guess isn't really super scummy

I mean I guess so if I were scum, but alas I am not so you're theory breaks there.

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

I don't think people voting on the same person means they're trying to get on their good side. I wouldn't say myself/Teacher and Datisi/Fish are trying to "get close" or whatever, yet our votes are on the same people. Not sure if that's good logic to work off of.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

I don't think people voting on the same person means they're trying to get on their good side. I wouldn't say myself/Teacher and Datisi/Fish are trying to "get close" or whatever, yet our votes are on the same people. Not sure if that's good logic to work off of.

I mean from my pov, it isn't good logic and it seems to be biased against me completely. If they want to base their future reads of that it's fine, just they need to think the same about you/teacher, datisi/fish like you stated or the logic falls through the cracks.

[Gyro Zeppeli]

VOTE: formerfish

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: formerfish

Reasoning?

[teacher]

Okay some people who I think are scummy:
Fish because a lot of his posts are useless crap like what his midnight snack is. Also when I consider if I should lynch him I get this different emotional response inside me than considering other people. Idk how to describe it but it's like a "noooo don't" feeling. Just feels like a weird way to stand out I think he may have possibly tried to manipulate us into not wanting him to Lynch him for not logical reasons

Gard feels kinda like a mafia trying to hide behind newbie mask of innocence and isn't posting too often so that nobody can catch her making mistakes.

JV shutting up for this long is probably relaxing and he can take a break room defending himself. The lack of posting now that the heat is off is odd to me.

It's possible a newbie maf could post with partner in the private thread and think oh I'm posting that's good and accidentally neglect posting here which makes me think gard and jv are a bit more sus, although jv certainly does make a high magnitude of weird newb errors if that is the case

This is just my opinion, but so far you've been saying a lot of things but not much has backing/doesn't really make sense. Most of these are based on "feelings"? :/

And you've come along back and just parroted the same concerns that other players had put forward. Now certainly it is a reasonable concern but don't you have anything more to add?

This (bottom) post struck me as possibly coached. I agree w GD’s comments that your prior posts seemed more emotional and coming from a quite different perspective than most. I was willing to chalk that up to a newb getting used to forum mafia, but here you are showing different - more standard and more advanced - thinking. Specifically the line on parroting, that’s not ‘feelings’ that’s a specific and potentially accurate criticism. It’s a level different than your other posts in a way that’s concerning.

[Datisi]

Gardenia - They seemed to be reluctant to vote at all at first, which doesn't inherently mean anything but then teacher stated that they wrote that out as scum.

JV, I don't get this part? How does this equate to a Gard TL?

[Datisi]

Throwing shade then immediately backpedaling when you realize the argument isn't that good/you get heat. Hmmmm.

Spoiler: 1

Okay some people who I think are scummy:
Fish because a lot of his posts are useless crap like what his midnight snack is. Also when I consider if I should lynch him I get this different emotional response inside me than considering other people. Idk how to describe it but it's like a "noooo don't" feeling. Just feels like a weird way to stand out I think he may have possibly tried to manipulate us into not wanting him to Lynch him for not logical reasons

Gard feels kinda like a mafia trying to hide behind newbie mask of innocence and isn't posting too often so that nobody can catch her making mistakes.

JV shutting up for this long is probably relaxing and he can take a break room defending himself. The lack of posting now that the heat is off is odd to me.

It's possible a newbie maf could post with partner in the private thread and think oh I'm posting that's good and accidentally neglect posting here which makes me think gard and jv are a bit more sus, although jv certainly does make a high magnitude of weird newb errors if that is the case

Ofc my last point is kinda metareachy

Spoiler: 2

Okay some people who I think are scummy:
Fish because a lot of his posts are useless crap like what his midnight snack is. Also when I consider if I should lynch him I get this different emotional response inside me than considering other people. Idk how to describe it but it's like a "noooo don't" feeling. Just feels like a weird way to stand out I think he may have possibly tried to manipulate us into not wanting him to Lynch him for not logical reasons

Gard feels kinda like a mafia trying to hide behind newbie mask of innocence and isn't posting too often so that nobody can catch her making mistakes.

JV shutting up for this long is probably relaxing and he can take a break room defending himself. The lack of posting now that the heat is off is odd to me.

It's possible a newbie maf could post with partner in the private thread and think oh I'm posting that's good and accidentally neglect posting here which makes me think gard and jv are a bit more sus, although jv certainly does make a high magnitude of weird newb errors if that is the case

This is just my opinion, but so far you've been saying a lot of things but not much has backing/doesn't really make sense. Most of these are based on "feelings"? :/

And you've come along back and just parroted the same concerns that other players had put forward. Now certainly it is a reasonable concern but don't you have anything more to add?

Yeah my accusations are weak as heck. In the moment I feel it but emotions are fleeting and I can't find the same feeling a lot of the time when looking at is posts

Spoiler: 3

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

Alright let me rephrase it: it's a very good play to make as scum which I guess isn't really super scummy

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

We've had people voting together earlier too. When did this thought occur?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

Is that why you haven't done a tierlist yourself?

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

I don't think people voting on the same person means they're trying to get on their good side. I wouldn't say myself/Teacher and Datisi/Fish are trying to "get close" or whatever, yet our votes are on the same people. Not sure if that's good logic to work off of.

I mean from my pov, it isn't good logic and it seems to be biased against me completely. If they want to base their future reads of that it's fine, just they need to think the same about you/teacher, datisi/fish like you stated or the logic falls through the cracks.

That's what I'm saying, I don't agree with the logic. I think it's too surface level.

[Uncrowned]

Also, Fish is at L-2. Not a fan of that naked vote.

[Uncrowned]

We've had people voting together earlier too. When did this thought occur?

This is what I'm thinking, it seems like an odd thing to point out. What I want more of an explanation of is this part though:

trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum

Maybe I'm crazy, but isn't this the opposite of what you'd want to do? Not that I think JV voting with you is valid reasoning anyway, Bug, but this seems off.

I could be misunderstanding your point. Explain?

[JacksonVirgo]

Until Gyro explains that vote I am going to unvote so.

/unvote

[JacksonVirgo]

I forgot the proper formatting so I'll do it again.
UNVOTE: FF

[JacksonVirgo]

To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

[Uncrowned]

To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?

[JacksonVirgo]

To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?

I don't remember writing that anywhere but yes I feel Gyro/Fish are a SvS and this might be a way of Gyro getting towncred but I also think Teacher/Fish is a TvS.

So currently my reads are FF and Gyro being scum. I left that wagon because I don't want it to be lynched yet.

[Uncrowned]

To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?

I don't remember writing that anywhere but yes I feel Gyro/Fish are a SvS and this might be a way of Gyro getting towncred but I also think Teacher/Fish is a TvS.

So currently my reads are FF and Gyro being scum. I left that wagon because I don't want it to be lynched yet.

I went back and found it, Post 373 is when you said it.

So you think Fish is scum but don't want to apply pressure onto him yet? I don't like the Gyro vote on him either, but if you think he's scum wouldn't you want pressure on FF?