Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[Karnage]

a specific player, scum in general, or town in general?

It's a good-faith move to prevent a hypo!idiot impulsive townie or hypo!triggerhappy scumpartner from wanting to get everything over with ASAP while she engages with october and tries to develop a read on one/both of us.
Or its merely delaying the inevitable for show.

I swear if you weren't a mason....

yet you were all about getting somebody to L-1 on page 1

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 2.09

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Vorkuta

(2): Karnage, Zenith

Zenith

(1): tictac

skitter30

(1): Vorkuta

Not Voting

(3): january, DrDolittle, skitter30

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-05 07:45:00).

Mod notes:

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[Vorkuta]

Ok but you telling me that is not helpful if i am so

Gah you meant town!tunnel. I thought you mean tunnel as a verb/action that anyone can do (ie Robb last game).

yet you were all about getting somebody to L-1 on page 1

once again- I swear if you weren't a mason....
reread stuff; I was the one who was annoyed/demotivated at how 90% of D1 discussion was about that BS, that it was NAI and should stop/move someplace else.
I've never given zenith serious shit for it

[Karnage]

ok thats fair. i was probably projecting a bit.

[Vorkuta]

I feel warm and fuzzy on the inside now

[january]

why is the mod note a smiley face it looks so ominous ahh

right now, skitter backing off of vork feels really strange... she was all for a vork lynch until very recently

i know people back off of tunnels as town, but the original push felt way too strong to back off now. feels like she knows she'll get lynched tomorrow if/when vorkuta flips town, so she's backing off and trying to kinda un-associate herself with the push

[january]

my reads suck though and based on the jamelia push i think it's more than evident that i have confirmation bias

but i still still don't like that unvote it seems weird

[january]

question - are you guys planning to try to lynch today or are we using the rest of the time?

i really want to get a flip soon (i'm impatient) but i'm a bit busy today and tomorrow. i'll push my thoughts around and hopefully someone listens but i don't feel like I have the time or energy to actually convince anyone until Sunday.

will still be lurking around and posting, just less

[skitter30]

feels like she knows she'll get lynched tomorrow if/when vorkuta flips town, so she's backing off and trying to kinda un-associate herself with the push

This is a kinda suboptimal thing for me to be doing as scum here

Do u have reasons for town!vork or ...

[Karnage]

question - are you guys planning to try to lynch today or are we using the rest of the time?

i really want to get a flip soon (i'm impatient) but i'm a bit busy today and tomorrow. i'll push my thoughts around and hopefully someone listens but i don't feel like I have the time or energy to actually convince anyone until Sunday.

will still be lurking around and posting, just less

I don't see any reason to extend the day if 4 of us are willing to lynch. weekend activity is usually down and we will likely find ourselves in the same spot 2 days from now

[DrDolittle]

@skitt already listed posts in 797
@doc i was starting to feel bad about the skitt push and wanted ya to commit to a stance before pushing further.
it's not super relevant now tho. I'm fine sheeping conftown on general principles.
I'm feeling kinda tired and not super courteous, but whatevs.

intent to hammer

i still want skitter lynched and i think there's a very high chance that this wagon will be flipping town. i think vork HAS towntold and i genuinely don't believe anything skit has done has struck me as especially towny.

I dont it it why are you guys willing to hammer vork when you think it would flip town

[DrDolittle]

But i currently do not like your support of vork or your tictac scumlean

why is it that i could only be town if i support you? that's awfully shady

[DrDolittle]

you're utlizing the same tactic: make up bs to push people
*why* you're doing it i don't think is relevant
you haven't really shown that i've taken it out of context either

now if you can show me you making up bs to push people as town i'd view that as a reason to view your current push on me as being less scummy
god-awful, sure, but less ai

as of right now i only have examples of scum!you doing it

This is completely reframing the narrative (or some other fallacy) where you directly say what vork is doing is garbo.

vork i feel like it's hard to respond to you because you're making up things and i can't prove negatives

This is like the stuff that one cannot respond to.

He's doing the same thing here, using overinflated rhetoric and making up stuff to push me

but the thing is I don't think vork did this, especially the inflated rhetoric part. Like I think if anything its that his arguments are in good faith and i can see where it comes from.

I think after rereading I'm on #teamvork

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: skitter30

[Zenith]

@drdo
Where has skitter demanded scum pt screenshot levels of evidence? If you can find where she has clearly done this, then I'll be willing to vote her with you.

I was also drawn into Vork's narrative a bit. There are some things in there that make sense to me, and looks like he is trying and maybe found something, but upon closer inspection there are things coming from his perspective that really don't belong, but you don't notice the finger in the soup because it was well prepped and delicious.

Just saying, maybe you should re-read their ISOs with that in mind, and keep an eye out for skitter demanding scum pt screenshot levels of evidence. Also keep an eye out for Vork manipulating skitter's words to fit into his narrative. The soup tasted good at first, but when I noticed the finger I had to spit it out.. <_>

[tictac]

I never get to hammer stuff

a specific player, scum in general, or town in general?

It's a good-faith move to prevent a hypo!idiot impulsive townie

not likely to happen here.

or hypo!triggerhappy scumpartner from wanting to get everything over with ASAP

sounds like an excellent way to end the day.

I dont it it why are you guys willing to hammer vork when you think it would flip town

like, the greatest weakness of town is people working at cross purposes. If I can make that not be a thing, that's worth some amount of personal agency.
Ya didn't think it was weird when I offered to lynch january on day 1. Why is this different?

VOTE: vork

L-1

[DrDolittle]

@drdo
Where has skitter demanded scum pt screenshot levels of evidence? If you can find where she has clearly done this, then I'll be willing to vote her with you.

in my quotes 937, when skit responds with asking vork to do stuff that almost cannot be done, i think that constitutes the "scum pt screenshot level of evidence". To me it's pretty clear what it means, and I find skitter skittering around and asking "what does that meaaaaan?" scummy.

but fine I'll take you up for a reread with that in mind later.

like, the greatest weakness of town is people working at cross purposes. If I can make that not be a thing, that's worth some amount of personal agency.

Ya didn't think it was weird when I offered to lynch january on day 1. Why is this different?

This is exactly what scum rb said in mini normal 2046.

I don't even remember that you offered to lynch january on day 1... was january your town read at that point?

[Karnage]

I feel like I’m out of the loop with the “demanded scum pt screenshot levels of evidence” thing?

[Karnage]

@drdo
Where has skitter demanded scum pt screenshot levels of evidence? If you can find where she has clearly done this, then I'll be willing to vote her with you.

searched through vork's ISO and i found

Whereas you're basically demanding "screenshots of their scumPT" levels of evidence necessary for my points to have any validity in your eyes.
Which is a scum!skitter play

pretty clear he's not being literal so why is this even an issue?

I'm getting worried I've been way off base with vork and skitter

[Karnage]

anybody up for a zenith lynch today instead of vork?

[Vorkuta]

Sure- when our mason phrases it like that

For the sole purpose of demonstrating that if this is scum!zenith, scum!skitter won't let a lynch on him go through

[Karnage]

VOTE: zenith

[DrDolittle]

im not interested in lynching zenith at all.

[skitter30]

I dont it it why are you guys willing to hammer vork when you think it would flip town

yes this is partly what's making me wary

[skitter30]

But i currently do not like your support of vork or your tictac scumlean

why is it that i could only be town if i support you? that's awfully shady

because i don't understand why he looks townie to you rn