Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[RadiantCowbells]

I think reaction testing is bad phrasing.

I thought and still do think there's reasonably high probability that one of you/Joey is scum

[Menalque]

And I think that in any world where you’re town it should be obvious enough to you that I’m not scum that you should leave it alone

[RadiantCowbells]

alright I've read up, sorry for not posting last night I got a wee bit drunker than I anticipated

I think Menalque/Joey/Awoo are town. I'm on board with scum!Titus - the sequence of posts where she just ripped into Mutant's reads vibed to me like scum securing the mislynch, there was no town incentive to rail so hard for the lynch there on an obviously bad wagon. Also think PM is scummy-looking and I agree with 465, though I'm not sure that necessarily means they are scum together

also this was a noteworthy scum post from Dong that I don't think anyone called out:

Dont really get your townread on me though mutant, i ascertain that i havent done much to earn that so far, and my activity has been lacking

this was his only post in twilight and it's to argue with an already lynched player about why he shouldn't be townread. There's no game solving purpose at all it's purely a LAMIST post.

This rule of 3 and the fact that GL has never really tried to dismantle the townblock and has if anything supported it, assuming GL is scum, might point to scum in the townblock.

Scum have not played to dismantle the townblock from what I've seen; either there's some other plan going on to out town the townblock or the townblock contains scum.

That's why in non you/Awoo partners I'm looking for pairings like GL PK where there's a game plan that makes sense; bus to out townspew the universal townreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I think that in any world where you’re town it should be obvious enough to you that I’m not scum that you should leave it alone

This isn't true and even if you're town it's a fairly consistent rule that my top townreads aren't on people who are universal townreads by others. I'm not looking for what you think I'm looking for if you're town.

[Menalque]

You’re fairly familiar with my meta, no? You cited two games here

To be even somewhat aware of it, you’d know that p much everyone who I’ve tried to learn from is anti-bus outside of necessity. Look at micro 893 and how I constantly steer datisi away from bussing preemptively until it’s clear that it’s needed to win

In this game, was it needed? Do I bus one of the stronger players in the lobby just for cred when I’m actively anti-bus as scum and there was a much better option in Norway for me to push after the quickhammer? Yes, I wouldn’t have towncred like I do now, but also getting through to here would already be in a game winning position provided we could get a mislynch today.

Titus lynch doesn’t go through without me there, and there’s no way I bus there when norway was so viable.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus is dead weight scum who is guaranteed to get lynched early as either alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

And, uh, you went after Norway initially in a gamestate where I think the other two options were both scum. That's not bussing unnecessarily.

[Menalque]

What’s the basis for your suji TR?

[RadiantCowbells]

Associatives and gut TR.

They not PK slot are my confident TR

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you're pushing PK who all inned Titus as scum.

He would have had to have bussed.

So, don't use bussing as a defense.

[Menalque]

Titus is dead weight scum who is guaranteed to get lynched early as either alignment.

Ali v Pine does not seem to hold with that or with the general way I’ve seen titus talked about even if I haven’t played with her myself before here (excepting AvP because it was the same time as here)

And, uh, you went after Norway initially in a gamestate where I think the other two options were both scum. That's not bussing unnecessarily.

Did I? I honestly forgot. Doesn’t change the fact that I could have got norway through without a lot of difficulty or weird needs to justify myself to anyone, making it more +EV to do that than bus titus.

[Menalque]

Associatives and gut TR.

They not PK slot are my confident TR

Where? Like what are the actual posts, at least for associatives?

[Menalque]

Like you're pushing PK who all inned Titus as scum.

He would have had to have bussed.

So, don't use bussing as a defense.

That’s almost a fair point apart from pk only voting there and not really doing any meaningful work to get titus lynched, plus idk if he is as explicitly anti-bus throughout his games as I am.

Also, I think I did acknowledge this as being one of the best points in favour of pk!town when talking about him yesterday

[Menalque]

How did he all-in her? He put down I think the first vote on her, then eased off entirely.

[RadiantCowbells]

You pushed multiple people

PK only pushed him

[RadiantCowbells]

Her. I'm distracted I'll be back later.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also the town in Ali v Pine was bad.

[Menalque]

Also the town in Ali v Pine was bad.

Yes, please, rub that in

My point is that despite losing I don’t think titus was dead weight there at all

[Menalque]

You pushed multiple people

PK only pushed him

I disagree that pk around titus was really a push. One vote and a couple of posts does not a push make. I did bits to get that to happen and yes, I think you and everyone else here should TR me for it.

Also, again, you should TR me for that. You know that I tend towards tunnelling as scum, and that I start early and stick with it. My indecisión this game is incredibly characteristic of town!me for anyone even somewhat familiar with me.

Like I said, I think there are enough things here that anyone who knows me should see that I’m obvtowning here and have been since D2. You’re not someone who I’ve played with a lot, and idk how familiar you are with me overall/how I play, but I don’t think town!RC ever misreads me specifically in this game.

[Joey_]

Menalque rxn overall is textbook town,
GL only lines since the replace in have been terrible

[RadiantCowbells]

everyone who gets pushed on by me as either alignment has their reaction townread because it's really easy to look town responding to my pushes because everyone wants to see the combatativeness and whatever as town.

[Joey_]

Thats just discrediting my read

[RadiantCowbells]

it's a fact that i've had to repeat ad nauseam. in my last game shoshin got hard townread for a similar reaction to my push on her. she ended up endgaming.
i've seen this pattern over and over and over again and I'm telling you that townreading him for that is stupid even if he is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

like do you want me to get enough quotes to give you a decent cross section of the situation because it is really easy for even mediocre scum players to look townie responding to my scumreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

like it's the same basic points, RC wouldn't townread me if I was scum, if he is RC is some combination of [narcissistic, gamethrowing, egotist, personality voting me], you should lynch him after you lynch me.
i'm not even calling it a scummy reaction necessarily it's how like a solid 60% of people who I scumread react and the cross section is equally likely to come from town or scum.

like... it's way easier to pick a fight with me and try to lynch me and try to corner me into committing to a read on him now to try to mislynch me with later than it is to treat me like a human being and fool me.