Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[RadiantCowbells]

You'll notice despite all of Menalque's claimed certainty that I'm flipping scum and that the game is just solved he has refused despite tons of prompting to

1) Commit to townreads that aren't himself as good endgame options.
2) Commit to the fact that we are even SvT in the first place and that he should be lynched when I flip town.

He's still playing for the him in endgame scum wincondition.
I appreciate the fact that we're actually playing mafia right now and not just spamming AtE btw.

[RadiantCowbells]

You'll notice despite all of Menalque's claimed certainty that I'm flipping scum and that the game is just solved he has refused despite tons of prompting to

1) Commit to townreads that aren't himself as good endgame options.
2) Commit to the fact that we are even SvT in the first place and that he should be lynched when I flip town.

He's still playing for the him in endgame scum wincondition.
I appreciate the fact that we're actually playing mafia right now and not just spamming AtE btw.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lmao the end of this post

I mean, it's true. I think if I was literally anyone else on site with the iso that I have
well I'm not actually sure if people would LISTEN to me
but no one would in a million years think that i'm scum

i play different, etc.

[RadiantCowbells]

there's +es and minuses

i actually don't think that this iso from joetheplumber420 gets you lynched because it's entirely based on BoP but I'm certainly never someone that people expect to flip scum.

[Menalque]

Lmao the end of this post

I mean, it's true. I think if I was literally anyone else on site with the iso that I have
well I'm not actually sure if people would LISTEN to me
but no one would in a million years think that i'm scum

i play different, etc.

I’m willing to bet that if any of the remaining town slots got replaced by any of the top scum hunters on site they’d probably just all naked vote you

[RadiantCowbells]

btw, note that my key focus here in the day phase has been committing to making sure that everyone understands that we're TvS. not even pushing cases for why he's scum. just making sure that if i get lynched today he gets lynched the next day.

he's actively trying to worm his way out of being the lynch the next day.

[RadiantCowbells]

I’m willing to bet that if any of the remaining town slots got replaced by any of the top scum hunters on site they’d probably just all naked vote you

i mean

drcirno is one of the best town players on site and in his words my slot was laughably obvtown

[RadiantCowbells]

like not even me. i'm "hard to read" and shit. awoo.

[Menalque]

You'll notice despite all of Menalque's claimed certainty that I'm flipping scum and that the game is just solved he has refused despite tons of prompting to

1) Commit to townreads that aren't himself as good endgame options.
2) Commit to the fact that we are even SvT in the first place and that he should be lynched when I flip town.

He's still playing for the him in endgame scum wincondition.
I appreciate the fact that we're actually playing mafia right now and not just spamming AtE btw.

I mean I think that’s because you believe you’re winning atm and you’ll start turning on the AtE as soon as you get the sense that you’re not after other people arrive and start seeing this.

I don’t think anyone has been as obv town as joey and I, and I think we should be the endgame pair of locktown. That hasn’t changed.

However, it’s kind of a moot point if I am right because game should be done before then so long as we lynch you today.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think it's a good idea to look at the nominations and think "this is probably TTT, let's lynch the lazy guy". If you look in the history of this game, scum almost always nominate one of their own on the second day. If any of the three of these folks start saying "I'm town! I was nominated on day 2, remember?" that means absolutely nothing and deserves zero towncred. If anything, it's a point against them.

Let's at least for the sake of making this day useful and productive pretend that at least one of them is scum, even if you really think that they're all town. Who's the mafia in titus / norwegianboy / correspondence? It's literally never correspondence, that's the compromise bait vote. Mafia get pseudo nightkills on even days, and if I was scum oh heck yes I would nightkill correspondence for the absolutely zero information given to town. Scum's best move is to lynch correspondence today. We're not doing that.

Let's start here, shall we?

VOTE: titus

Burying mutant in that long string of posts was completely unnessecary. It increased (my) bias against him without actually contributing anything. I saw a lot of the things that you saw, and I could have posted them, but I chose not to because it wasn't going to be productive. Furthermore, everyone is giving norwegianboy flak for making the hammer, but does anybody actually realize that titus was the one who suggested we get some intent to hammer? This was followed by norwegianboy's sloppy hammer. I'm not willing to lynch norwegianboy right now.

Straight up, Titus is pushing a scum agenda this game.

Suggesting we get intent for hammer when SEVEN days remain on the deadline is scum agenda. The fact that nobody has called this out is absurd.
Making a totally useless lynch on correspondence today is scum agenda.

So what's the town motivation behind this wagon?

Pressuring someone who's going to be replaced isn't really possible because they're not there.
Lynching him also isn't useful because why not just let him get replaced.

But lynching an inactive VT slot before they get replaced! Now that's the mafia jackpot.

Yeah, I mean I'm going down the playerlist, and I don't think anyone is NOT OK with titus getting lynched today.

Awoo: voting titus

Joey_: "Honestly I don't really mind lynching either Titus or nEE" 552, but prefers nEE

Norwegian: voting titus

Guiltylion: "I'm on board with scum!Titus" 520
Creature: "I could see Titus and PM being scum together." 500
Suji: Titus at the bottom of his readslist

Menalque: voting titus

PMysterious: prefers norwegianboy, "Titus, I'm mixed on." 492, voting norwegianboy

pisskop: was voting titus, currently ???

Red is voting titus

Orange has called titus scum

Yellow is prefers norwegianboy, but doesn't object to titus

What's up with this, eh?

That's a strong indicator I'm town and this was rigged by scum.

Reads like scum giving up. WHO MAFIA?

Also let's note that part of the reason that titus is so widely scum read is because a consensus was forming on the AFK slot.

Hm, she didn't anti-town, she just outed her reads who ended up wrong just like most of the table. Burying scum from your pov isn't that anti-town and it was on the verge of the lynch, so she had town behind her back and mutant was pretty much the designated lynch.

It's true titus has been pretty bad since d2 (and imo d1 was sloppy af). That doesn't make her scum tho. What is the scum agenda in being useless in a lynchpool?

BTw, you have been biased towards your reads since the very beginning with the latest post saying "Titus sounds like giving up scum" which comes from someone trying to confirm their POV.

I'll get to what I'm getting at. We go into the day. Titus is supposed to be the strongest person in the lynch pool, gets self nominated as scum. Norwegianboy just mishammered, and correspondence is afk. EZ mislynches in the bag, free towncred incoming.

Things don't go as planned, no one buys the correspondence thing, and norwegianboy doesn't catch on either. Momentum swings to titus. Scum partners (in union with the rest of the gmae) start calling titus scum and get ready for the bus. Titus as scum with daychat knows she's being bussed, and starts playing the giving up routine instead of actually fighting like mutant did. Lines up, doesn't it? And it's not too crazy of a story. Doesn't rely on specific associations with any hypothetical partners, and it explains her current behaviour.

What does titus have to do to say she's been set up? She needs to call me scum.

these are never SvS interactions. period. that's transparent. doesn't take a genius to figure that one out

[Menalque]

I’m willing to bet that if any of the remaining town slots got replaced by any of the top scum hunters on site they’d probably just all naked vote you

i mean

drcirno is one of the best town players on site and in his words my slot was laughably obvtown

like not even me. i'm "hard to read" and shit. awoo.

Wow, your scumbuddy hard townread you? Get the hell outta here! That’s crazy man!

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I think that’s because you believe you’re winning atm and you’ll start turning on the AtE as soon as you get the sense that you’re not after other people arrive and start seeing this.

I don’t think anyone has been as obv town as joey and I, and I think we should be the endgame pair of locktown. That hasn’t changed.

However, it’s kind of a moot point if I am right because game should be done before then so long as we lynch you today.

tada and he even name drops joey to try to pocket him more lel

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow, your scumbuddy hard townread you? Get the hell outta here! That’s crazy man!

if he's my scumbuddy why won't you hard commit to suki/joey townblock and lynching you after I'm gone?

especially if I'm never flipping scum?

this isn't complicated

[Menalque]

Fmpov you’re overwhelmingly likely scum. If, however, I’m wrong, then committing to saying I should be lynched if you flip town is game losing because it would mean losing in lylo. We flip you here and you flip scum then I think we’re golden this game. But if you are just playing one of the worst town games I’ve ever seen then okay, I’m not losing town the game by saying we should always lynch me.

Why aren’t you willing to be honest about this fypov? You’re saying that even from town!you pov that after I flip town that you want them to lynch you in lylo?

[RadiantCowbells]

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Does anyone have any questions for me? Because I wanna go to bed soon.

oh yeah by the way
nsg and ruru think that mutantdevle is actually a super strong sleeper player
2 of his top 3 scumreads flipped scum.

joey is universally townread, top townread.
i'm second.

menalque is near the bottom.

[RadiantCowbells]

You’re saying that even from town!you pov that after I flip town that you want them to lynch you in lylo?

No, I just actually believe that you're always flipping scum so that world doesn't exist whereas you're disingenuously pretending to.

[RadiantCowbells]

and do note that

pm and creature both ALSO flipped town

so you've got a pretty good sense that his reads were in the right place.

[Menalque]

Convenient that you’re missing out the context that post was made in and the “would probably reorder” asterisks.

[RadiantCowbells]

do you like how i namedropped nsg

she namedrops me all the time i'm just getting back at her

[RadiantCowbells]

Convenient that you’re missing out the context that post was made in and the “would probably reorder” asterisks.

I don't see the context as irrelevant and often the least fleshed out, most off the cuff readslists end up being the most accurate.

[RadiantCowbells]

nsg would definitely scumread menalque here

do what nsg would do

[RadiantCowbells]

i bet if i namedropped ellibereth he'd post in postgame

[Menalque]

You’re saying that even from town!you pov that after I flip town that you want them to lynch you in lylo?

No, I just actually believe that you're always flipping scum so that world doesn't exist whereas you're disingenuously pretending to.

I think this post p much says it all. RC!town reconsiders here because he knows that despite being very good he’s not 100%. RC!scum knows that to make this go he has to be absolutely
100% committed to it, even though he cannot have that level of certainty as town in this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think this post p much says it all. RC!town reconsiders here because he knows that despite being very good he’s not 100%. RC!scum knows that to make this go he has to be absolutely
100% committed to it, even though he cannot have that level of certainty as town in this game.

rc town can be 100% a lot of the time. you know like when i said that i was 100% sure shoshin was scum last game. or when i quickhammered SS because i was 100% sure he was scum.
he's just playing up the "me potentially being wrong" angle because he knows that I"m town and even if he gets me lynched he still has to explain why I was wrong, etc.

seen it all before

[RadiantCowbells]

I think this post p much says it all. RC!town reconsiders here because he knows that despite being very good he’s not 100%. RC!scum knows that to make this go he has to be absolutely
100% committed to it, even though he cannot have that level of certainty as town in this game.

rc town can be 100% a lot of the time. you know like when i said that i was 100% sure shoshin was scum last game. or when i quickhammered SS because i was 100% sure he was scum.
he's just playing up the "me potentially being wrong" angle because he knows that I"m town and even if he gets me lynched he still has to explain why I was wrong, etc.

seen it all before