Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Menalque]

Convenient that you’re missing out the context that post was made in and the “would probably reorder” asterisks.

I don't see the context as irrelevant and often the least fleshed out, most off the cuff readslists end up being the most accurate.

Also funny how you choose to only focus on half of what I said here

[RadiantCowbells]

like if anything

there's a ton more motivation for me as scum to be hedging and I do usually hedge as scum

funny how that works

[Menalque]

I think this post p much says it all. RC!town reconsiders here because he knows that despite being very good he’s not 100%. RC!scum knows that to make this go he has to be absolutely
100% committed to it, even though he cannot have that level of certainty as town in this game.

rc town can be 100% a lot of the time. you know like when i said that i was 100% sure shoshin was scum last game. or when i quickhammered SS because i was 100% sure he was scum.
he's just playing up the "me potentially being wrong" angle because he knows that I"m town and even if he gets me lynched he still has to explain why I was wrong, etc.

seen it all before

Wrong, you can think you’re 100% when you’re not. How certain were you on ank!scum in BP?

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 of his top 3 scumreads flipped scum.

Oh wow, you clearly got some news we haven't heard about.
Do explain who the second flip was.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also funny how you choose to only focus on half of what I said here

i mean
i don't care about the context
i don't care about the reorder because i see it solely as a signal that it's an off the cuff readslist kinda thing

when 3/4 of someone's top townreads are town and it's coming from a player that strong town players respect, their reads ought to be taken seriously.

especially since scum rushed them down for a reason.

Wrong, you can think you’re 100% when you’re not. How certain were you on ank!scum in BP?

I was lynching Ank because dead townies Fire and Nacho had them as their top scumread lel
I even said I don't take responsibility for the lynch

Did I expect them to flip scum because I townread everyone else to an extent? Yep. not the same as this game and i really just wanted them fucking dead because ank was being obnoxious

[RadiantCowbells]

i kinda see the fact that there's 2 scum in the baton pass pool as a confirmed fact at this point. i guess it's not actually confirmed.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Menalque randed scum this game D:

oh yeah

another established good town player thought menalque was scum

[Menalque]

It’s exactly your problem that you can’t see that ank being obnoxious was in response to you pushing her like this as town. Incidentally it’s things like that that make me not say 99% on you being scum here or something, because I’ve just seen you make a push along these lines on town as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

meanwhile the people townreading menalque are, no offense, not exactly bruleeing my creme right now

[Menalque]

i kinda see the fact that there's 2 scum in the baton pass pool as a confirmed fact at this point. i guess it's not actually confirmed.

What?

[RadiantCowbells]

It’s exactly your problem that you can’t see that ank being obnoxious was in response to you pushing her like this as town. Incidentally it’s things like that that make me not say 99% on you being scum here or something, because I’ve just seen you make a push along these lines on town as town.

"i literally just saw you do this as town but i'm going to scumread you ANYWAY because i'm not going to avoid the lynch by not calling you scum."

[RadiantCowbells]

i kinda see the fact that there's 2 scum in the baton pass pool as a confirmed fact at this point. i guess it's not actually confirmed.

What?

titus play doesn't really make sense for solo scum in the baton pass pool.

if you were actually reading the game, you would have seen that me and joey have discussed this quite a bit.

i would think that if you were scumreading me you would know the posts that I've made

[RadiantCowbells]

like

"I LITERALLY JUST SAW YOU DO THIS AS TOWN"
->scumreads anyway

c'mon guys.

[Menalque]

No. I think this push overwhelmingly comes from scum you 90-95% of the time. That game there were more things to throw you off potentially whereas here you should definitely be TRing me if you’re town.

You’re not 99% or 100% scum because of seeing you do this as town against town. It’s the difference of 4-9%.

[Menalque]

Your continued efforts to misrep everything I say as scummy are so obvious

[RadiantCowbells]

also
when I call out Menalque for not knowing aspects of my meta that were called out in the VERY VERY EARLY PAGES OF THAT GAME, he's like nah I don't know what happened in BP you can't expect me to know
it's the equivalent of a judge deeming the evidence inadmissable then he's turning around and citing some random obscure detail from super late in that game that only lasted like a dozen pages because i townread Oh the entire rest of the game

so has he read BP or not and if he has (which he clearly has) why is he refusing to use the information that he should use to townread me but he's using stuff to discredit my scumread on him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC's replacement in a nutshell:

Spoiler:

[RadiantCowbells]

as town against town.

1) this push is entirely unlike my Oh push. the comparison doesn't make sense. Oh I townread the entire game and eventually decided dead townies and them hard defending 3 scum should be held to account.
2) this is him trying to plant the idea that it's a TvT conflict to avoid getting held responsible when I flip town.

[Menalque]

also
when I call out Menalque for not knowing aspects of my meta that were called out in the VERY VERY EARLY PAGES OF THAT GAME, he's like nah I don't know what happened in BP you can't expect me to know
it's the equivalent of a judge deeming the evidence inadmissable then he's turning around and citing some random obscure detail from super late in that game that only lasted like a dozen pages because i townread Oh the entire rest of the game

so has he read BP or not and if he has (which he clearly has) why is he refusing to use the information that he should use to townread me but he's using stuff to discredit my scumread on him?

I read some of BP from shortly after the SS lynch through to the end. It moved to fast to keep up with everything. I didn’t read any of the early stuff basically.

[RadiantCowbells]

like is it not really obvious that everything that menalque is doing is in the service of preventing his own downfall from immediately following me flipping town
i feel like it's obvious. i feel like yall should see it.

I read some of BP from shortly after the SS lynch through to the end. It moved to fast to keep up with everything. I didn’t read any of the early stuff basically.

funny because the same meta got brought up around the oh flip when i was trying to point out that oh scumreading me made them a moron
did you forget that when you thought that saying you only read this small part absolved you of being held responsible for ignoring widely known meta on me

[Menalque]

as town against town.

1) this push is entirely unlike my Oh push. the comparison doesn't make sense. Oh I townread the entire game and eventually decided dead townies and them hard defending 3 scum should be held to account.
2) this is him trying to plant the idea that it's a TvT conflict to avoid getting held responsible when I flip town.

No this is me being honest about the fact that even though town would really wanna lynch me if you flipped town they still shouldn’t. If I was scum I’d lie my ass off and say “yeah, lynch me every time if RC flips town” then back-pedal it on the next day, just like you will if I get mislynched today and flip green

[Menalque]

like is it not really obvious that everything that menalque is doing is in the service of preventing his own downfall from immediately following me flipping town
i feel like it's obvious. i feel like yall should see it.

I read some of BP from shortly after the SS lynch through to the end. It moved to fast to keep up with everything. I didn’t read any of the early stuff basically.

funny because the same meta got brought up around the oh flip when i was trying to point out that oh scumreading me made them a moron
did you forget that when you thought that saying you only read this small part absolved you of being held responsible for ignoring widely known meta on me

I have no idea what you’re going on about

[RadiantCowbells]

there's 2 points in the game this meta came up because i got pushed twice in the game. very start of the game and during the ank push. if he read the ank push, he would know this stuff.

unless he's pretending not to know it because it doesn't fit his objective of lynching me and getting away with it but trying to argue that i push town like this (hint i've never pushed town with claims of 100% surety to a lynch outside of the one specific game I already cited) definitely fits his game plan of trying to not be held responsible when I flip town.

[Menalque]

I didn’t actually think I’d ever see you flail as scum let alone because of 1v1ing me

[RadiantCowbells]

I have no idea what you’re going on about

ur deliberately burying your head in the sand ignoring meta that you should know because it came up in the period that you read that says that i'm town.