Newbie 1962 | (Game Over)

[Yodavader]

meant to be 45, not 4

[Yodavader]

Ah screw it. It's going on midnight where I am and I need to get to bed. Good night everyone.

VOTE: Farren

[faüstiv]

uff

[Radja]

Farren's absence gives me hope.

[Farren]

For the record, I was asleep during that entire flurry of votes. Pretty similar to how D1 went down in my last game, although someone else was the victim and deadline wasn't providing as much pressure.

Taking a look at when I've posted during this game, would be pretty easy to see I haven't posted before 9:00 AM Pacific Time during this game.

Those of you who strictly advocate never claiming PR unless you're at L-1 with intent, take note here.

Ah well; it's the way the game goes. I'll be back for the post-game; good luck to everyone and have fun!

[Radja]

Farren, if you're town, please share your final thoughts before the flip.

If you're scum, well then I'll just be happy!

[eth0s]

Official Vote Count 1.21 (DAY END)

Lynching

With 9 living players it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Farren

(5): EspeciallyTheLies, Geyde, alimdia, Radja, Yodavader

Yodavader

(3): faüstiv, Formerfish, Farren

Not Voting

(1): TheGildedSun

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-03 12:50:00).

Mod notes:

n/a[/area]

[eth0s]

DAY ONE LYNCH

Farren

has been lynched Day One. He was a

Mafia Goon

.

Night One begins. Deadlines for submitting actions ends in (expired on 2019-11-05 18:30:00).

Night will end early if all living players request for me to do so via PM.[/area]

[eth0s]

Night One

TheGildedSun

has been killed Night One. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.[/area]

[eth0s]

Day Two Begins

Official Vote Count 2.0

Lynching

With 7 living players it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Not Voting

(7): faüstiv, Geyde, Yodavader, alimdia, EspeciallyTheLies, Formerfish, Radja

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-12 20:10:00).

Mod notes:

n/a[/area]

[Geyde]

https://imgur.com/a/N3kYx9Q

The very foundation of my threadread(tm) was that the interaction between Farren/peoplewhoscumreadthem was warping thread because both of its parts were scum
This is completely incorrect for two reasons:

1. Farren didn't get votes, which shows artificial resistance to their wagon rather than a bus
2. Literally every consensus v is actually v, and I'm just an idiot

It is very likely for this reason that the ACTUAL team is Fish/Farren
They never directly interacted with each other substantially in a way that they actually were trying to "solve" each other's respective slots

Yoda / Farren never same team here based on gut (jush eh partner handling on both sides in that case. Maybe it happens but I think my thread read is still right in terms of cop out wagon)
Faustiv / Farren very unlikely to be on same team because Farren tried manipulating Faustiv (essentially buddying their conclusion)
Chibiie slot / Farren never same team based on how they handled each other in thread

ETL/Radja/Fish only potential teammates in my mind since Gilded just flipped v
Inclined to say no on ETL since they had no reason to aggressively bus their scummate when they could have easily let push on Yoda go through

The breaking question atp in my mind is:

Was farren planning on going down in the immediate future?

[Geyde]

NK on Gilded is wack

[Geyde]

Spoiler: Fish w Farren

This is a very scummy response, town wouldn't be so worried of being voted as a townie being lynched gives reads of who was on their wagon and why, while scum are much more nervous about being lynched and this is hyper shown here.

VOTE: TheGildedSun

My experience has been that early signs of nervousness can sometimes be scum-motivated, but it's definitely not a smoking gun by any stretch. Some Town players absolutely get nervous about being voted.

What about GildedSun's behavior makes this "hyper shown here?"

I don't think we need to talk about this part anymore. It doesn't help us at all and can only hurt us.

UNVOTE:

Getting super new vibes from Gilded, so I don't know that the jumpiness actually applies here. I also like the thought process of "they're voting me and I'm town so they must be mafia". While misguided and incorrect, I was the same way when I first started.

I like this, and I liked your question before it. I was wondering the same thing and would have asked it myself if you hadn't.

That's kinda the issue I have with it though. The question from ETL should have come first. The fact that she jumped the way she did and claimed a real vote only to back it off with what should have been an obvious explination of him being new.

I feel like ETL is tilting towards anything that is out of the ordinary and that scum would know to blend in and not rock the boat.

The reads are very surface level, and I know it's page 2 but ETL dropping real votes to retract them like that is ick.

I think for scum to win they have to kill townies and maybe you want to push me as scum to get me out of the way early, I don't know why you are making bad pushes. I think that if you were interested in why someone was playing a certain way that you would talk to them about it, but both times now you have kinda flown off half cocked only to retract within a post or two.

Is retracting a bad argument scummy, Town, or both? And why?

I dont think in itself retracting is scummy. For me it was the push to begin with followed up by the quick abandonment of it.

Like the slot is 7 days old and makes an obnewb (no offense) post and she jumps down his throat with a bad faith argument, and a vote, only to be like hey why did you say that, and they explain that they are new (WHICH IS OBVIOUS) and she pulls back like oh thats cool.

Unless ETL is going for a slayers gambit by targeting me and a newb to draw heat I dont get her play and dont like hwat i see.

I dont think in itself retracting is scummy. For me it was the push to begin with followed up by the quick abandonment of it.

Like the slot is 7 days old and makes an obnewb (no offense) post and she jumps down his throat with a bad faith argument, and a vote, only to be like hey why did you say that, and they explain that they are new (WHICH IS OBVIOUS) and she pulls back like oh thats cool.

Unless ETL is going for a slayers gambit by targeting me and a newb to draw heat I dont get her play and dont like hwat i see.

I don't see anything scummy about realizing another possibility and following up on it. I could see scenarios where switching a viewpoint quickly would be scummy, but not realizing all the possibilities and then investigating further? That's the sort of thing that results in fewer mislynches, not more.

Unless the whole thing was staged, but I'm not getting that vibe here.

Its not the walk back, it was the whole thing, it felt over the top for something that i felt was evident.

I think maybe I was a little salty about ETL playing along with my RQS and then voting me. She should know by her own admission that scum!me wouldnt be this open about rocking the boat, but she is still looking at me crosseyed.

Thats why im trying to figure out if this is tvt where we both feel like the other stepped on each others toes or if this is tvs where ETL is trying to set me up for a mislynch somehwere.

We have less than two days. This massive dispersion of votes is garbage.

Someone tell me why farren is town and shouldn’t be today’s lynch

It's not why you shouldn't lynch there, it's why you should lynch people before her.

Like Chibs slot. That guy was scum through and through

See the problem with poking bears is that sometimes sleeping ones dont give a fuck who they swat.

Derailing from subject, will ignore, but not forget.

Failure to answer a direct question. Noted.

VOTE: Chibs

Disingenuous scum can get rope, and i can go back to sleep now.

Here's your answer, btw:

Post 27.

- RQS

Posts 28

- Interaction with ETL, not FF

/ 32 - 34.

- Indirect, objective view

Post 56 / 59 / 73 / 75.

- Indirect, objective view

This is what I call a "bruh" moment.

Yes, I was talking about you two, I've pretty much wrote you names in the same post :/
Gotta go, be back in a few hours.

You said we had no contact, direct or indirect, then list times where we had both. Gotcha, also ive been sick all weekend and have been playing on a limited basis. So yeah, in the last few pages you are correct, but you would be correct if you looked at any slot, not just the on you picked to harp on for your agenda to move forward.

Bolded 431 because it's weird

[Geyde]

The breaking question atp in my mind is:

Was farren planning on going down in the immediate future?

I had a hunch that Farren was intentionally not interacting with fish near the end in order to potentially frame them should they flip

...

I need someone to talk to ngl

[Geyde]

I've hit this wall where I only see a Fish/Farren team and that I've been really stretching in order to accommodate other possibilities
But it seems too easy, you know?

Like why did everyone only wagon farren after I brought up those points and poked at people to do it
Why does Radja make those comments near EoD?
Why did nobody engage with my content? (especially my case for Farren/Radja)

[alimdia]

NK on Gilded is wack

Why?

Here are updated reads after the flip (etl still screams town): (With gildedsun's parts being removed obviously)

Geyde: Farren had detailed analysis on most people but remained neutral, so his interactions I am taking with a grain of salt.
But farren was fine with 'flipping' Gdog on post #118. From that, it is likely that gdog (geyde) is not his partner.
However, on the flip side, Geyde starts off his first post by talking about Farren and has Farren as a town read.
Later on, he says its either ETL or Fish. Also attacks Yoda a bit. Before moving to Farren at #475. But Geyde was the second vote, I'm not sure if he expected Farren to actually get lynched!
@Geyde, I'll look through more of what you brought up just now when I'm off work.

Spartan (Radja): Spartan also jumped on Fish, but unvoted at L1. Note that they can't be partners anymore! That's the beauty of flipping a scum.
Farren interaction with spartan spot, Its like publically trying to 'clear' Spartan. However, I was also given info that scum can daytalk, so Farren would have used the scum daytalk to fake that interaction.
Additionally Radja (spartan spot) was the 4th vote on Farren. So I'm thinking Radja is Town.

Fish: The fish gildedsun scum team is no longer possible, so Fish was no longer trying to stop discussion on the initial GildedSUN+ETL situation for scummy reasons. He is

probably

town due to ease of wagon reasons.

Yoda, Faust: Honestly I keep WIFOMing over these 2 slots. that I wanted to see what happened at night before I analysed these 2

[Radja]

Geyde's push to lynch between me and Farren and the lynch eventually landing on Farren makes me feel pretty good about him.
I have no clue why GildedSun was murdered, makes no clue. Checking his iso, he was pointing at a Farren/Yoda team.

From my pov, it is probably Fish. If not, then it's Yoda. That's where I'm at.

The way Farren avoided the Fish wagon on day 1 indicates to me that they were partners and he didn't want to bus him. I'm not too sure on this though.

Anyway, for me it's Fish or Yoda.

[Radja]

Geyde: if you're considering me as Farren's partner, do you think it was a hard bus the way he set me up as a lynch candidate? The way he voted me just made no sense to me at all.

[Geyde]

NK on Gilded is wack

Why?

Here are updated reads after the flip (etl still screams town): (With gildedsun's parts being removed obviously)

Geyde: Farren had detailed analysis on most people but remained neutral, so his interactions I am taking with a grain of salt.
But farren was fine with 'flipping' Gdog on post #118. From that, it is likely that gdog (geyde) is not his partner.
However, on the flip side, Geyde starts off his first post by talking about Farren and has Farren as a town read.
Later on, he says its either ETL or Fish. Also attacks Yoda a bit. Before moving to Farren at #475. But Geyde was the second vote, I'm not sure if he expected Farren to actually get lynched!
@Geyde, I'll look through more of what you brought up just now when I'm off work.

Spartan (Radja): Spartan also jumped on Fish, but unvoted at L1. Note that they can't be partners anymore! That's the beauty of flipping a scum.
Farren interaction with spartan spot, Its like publically trying to 'clear' Spartan. However, I was also given info that scum can daytalk, so Farren would have used the scum daytalk to fake that interaction.
Additionally Radja (spartan spot) was the 4th vote on Farren. So I'm thinking Radja is Town.

Fish: The fish gildedsun scum team is no longer possible, so Fish was no longer trying to stop discussion on the initial GildedSUN+ETL situation for scummy reasons. He is

probably

town due to ease of wagon reasons.

Yoda, Faust: Honestly I keep WIFOMing over these 2 slots. that I wanted to see what happened at night before I analysed these 2

Gilded isn't a threatening player whatsoever when it came to either reads or thread presence. The only reason I would put on a them kill is to get rid of a consensus town that was out of the picture so that I would duke it out with Radja (?)
That or it was a pr read which is plausible

I'd say there's a big difference between saying something and following up on it. If anything, I would clear my slot based on the notion that given my worldview at the time that Farren was trying to pocket my slot. They put barely any real analysis on my slot whatsoever unlike how they handled pretty much everyone else.

Fish could have tried to stop the initial discussion on gilded for towncred and thread control
I think you're being narrow in the reasons why people would do something

[Geyde]

Geyde: if you're considering me as Farren's partner, do you think it was a hard bus the way he set me up as a lynch candidate? The way he voted me just made no sense to me at all.

I was thinking they would be planning on going down instead of you and that you would use the towncred in order to get to lategame

[Geyde]

Could someone walk me through why Yoda could be scum with Farren
I'm not seeing it

[Geyde]

Since I have had more time to think about it, I do believe that the scum team is Fish/Gilded.

I don't like how Fish keeps trying to derail conversations and both times, it's because someone was talking about Gilded. First being when we were discussing her jumpiness, he wanted to stop the talking and now with faustiv pointing out how he sees her actions.

If Fish is truly mafia, and is actually on purpose trying to defend me to make me appear suspicious, then this is the mafia fooling a newbie town player.

If my reads haven't been consistent, it's because I'm extremely bad at reading people, even in real life, and I'm not used to looking into every little thing people say. Especially when it's typed so there's no tone of voice etc.

I'd really like to hear some more of your reasoning as to why I'm mafia, Yoda. Is there anything else that stood out to you in specific?

UNVOTE: Farren

I'm not so confident in what to think anymore.

The idea that scum have tricked us all seems more and more likely.
I'm confused as to why ETL defends me so much even though I've dug myself into a hole quite a few times.

[Geyde]

Maybe the kill on Gilded was because of their passivity (possibly mistook for PR trying to remain in background)?
That's what makes the most sense

[Radja]

Geyde: if you're considering me as Farren's partner, do you think it was a hard bus the way he set me up as a lynch candidate? The way he voted me just made no sense to me at all.

I was thinking they would be planning on going down instead of you and that you would use the towncred in order to get to lategame

I don't think that would be a smart play, especially considering nobody was looking at me as a potential scum. But alright.

Could someone walk me through why Yoda could be scum with Farren
I'm not seeing it

POE?

Now that you mention it, someone said GildedSun was softclaiming. I don't remember who it was though.

[Radja]

GildedSun seems to be softclaiming?

Oh hey searching a thread is a thing.