Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[skitter30]

The billy wagon fell apart at least once, and iirc it ended up on aaron/kerset. (And i think it happened again later with xayah? Not sure) I'm going to look into what happened there when i have a chance; there's v probably scum in the people who pushed those alternative wagons

[skitter30]

Aaron you should say L-1, when person is one vote away from lynch.

Why do you have a problem with this, exactly?

[Kerset]

The most recent moderator vote count was on the same page, seven posts prior. What was the point of that post? To chastise?

Aaron you should say L-1, when person is one vote away from lynch.

Why do you have a problem with this, exactly?

Isn't that a rule around here?

[Luca Blight]

I believe Nom was the main opposer to the initial Billy wagon, and pushed it onto Frost again for what I considered to be poor reasoning.

Frost was also protecting Billy in a way which was a little strange, however. He wasn’t particularly townreading Billy so even before the flip I found it strange how much he was protecting him. I need to do some more digging but atm I think there’s a good chance one of these are scum.

[skitter30]

It's a courtesy, not a rule, but it's just as polite to announce intent before hammering usually

But it was also like 6 hours to deadline or whatever so at that point it was kinda inevitable

I guess i'm kinda confused why you're calling out aaron and not suji there

Pedit @kerset

[Kerset]

@sirfetch what do you think about xaya after billy flip?

[skitter30]

@luca ya those were the main two that i was thinking of.
But i'm p sure the billy wagon ended up on aaron at some point, which makes me think he was a cw maybe

[Luca Blight]

Xayah gets some townie points. She was keen on the initial Billy wagon and was quick to agree with me on wagoning Billy late D1.

[Luca Blight]

Yeah I still think Frost is probtown, but it’s given me pause for thought.

Nom is the more likely scum of the two. Her Frost push was bad.

[nomnomnom]

I'd like to correct you on one point: I did not oppose Billy's lynch, I was unsure he would flip scum.

A real opposition would be when people started voting rb en masse and I went out my way to defend them. THAT is opposition. I'm pleasantly surprised that billy flipped scum so that's a plus, but I'm not scum and lynching me would ruin our momentum.

Frost would be a good lynch today I believe.

[nomnomnom]

I have a good feeling that perhaps scum was on that wagon late for townpoints. Just an intuition.

[Luca Blight]

I’m not lynching you just yet, but your reaction/opposition/whatever you want to call it to the initial Billy wagon does look bad, and you were uncharacteristically quiet at the end of the day, but of course maybe you were busy.

Why are you happy with lynching Frost already? There are still other dubious slots in the game - what about them?

[Luca Blight]

I have a good feeling that perhaps scum was on that wagon late for townpoints. Just an intuition.

That wouldn’t surprise me at all. I still have no positive feelings about Suji, for instance.

[skitter30]

I'd like to correct you on one point: I did not oppose Billy's lynch, I was unsure he would flip scum.

A real opposition would be when people started voting rb en masse and I went out my way to defend them. THAT is opposition. I'm pleasantly surprised that billy flipped scum so that's a plus, but I'm not scum and lynching me would ruin our momentum.

Frost would be a good lynch today I believe.

I dont like this

I have a good feeling that perhaps scum was on that wagon late for townpoints. Just an intuition.

Like who?

[nomnomnom]

I’m not lynching you just yet, but your reaction/opposition/whatever you want to call it to the initial Billy wagon does look bad, and you were uncharacteristically quiet at the end of the day, but of course maybe you were busy.

Why are you happy with lynching Frost already? There are still other dubious slots in the game - what about them?

I don't think I was opposing it, I was just genuinely surprised people wanted to vote there because the slot produced almost close to nothing compared to everything and at the time it looked like potentially a wagon scum wanted to generate. Since Billy flipped scum I was proven wrong so that's good.

I haven't voted yet and I don't want to end today fast, I'm just saying where my lynch preference is right now. I feel like the initial suspicions on Aaron were correct from certain players. Possibly joined the end of wagon for townpoints.

[Luca Blight]

I need to do more reading, but right now I’m happy to put my vote on Nom. I was already suspecting her after the Billy flip and her opening to D2 makes me feel even worse about her - her tone is that of scum who feels they are up against it.

VOTE: Nom

[Luca Blight]

Nom, what’s your read on Kerset?

[nomnomnom]

Haven't revisited kerset yet so still a scumlean.

Also yes I feel I'm up against it because I can read a gamestate and on top of avoiding getting lynched, I want to redirect town's attention on a scum lynch pattern rather than waste time on me, and in worse case scenario make me flip and giving scum some room to breathe. That's bad.

[Sujimichi]

I have a good feeling that perhaps scum was on that wagon late for townpoints. Just an intuition.

It's very likely.

[Luca Blight]

I’m certainly still going to assess everyone else in the game, I just feel you have the most scum equity at the moment. Yes, I could possibly be wasting my time barking up the wrong tree, but everyone else could say the same thing. I’m confident in a few of my townreads, but you’re not one of them, and thus you require sorting.

I feel like as Town you’d have come out in a more positive frame of mind, not thinking about being lynched already.

[Kerset]

It's a courtesy, not a rule, but it's just as polite to announce intent before hammering usually

But it was also like 6 hours to deadline or whatever so at that point it was kinda inevitable

I guess i'm kinda confused why you're calling out aaron and not suji there

Pedit @kerset

Back there i still wasn't sure whenever suji was aware that it was a hammer(at the moment of post), so i didn't want to start trivial argues in which he could make various standpoints.

[Luca Blight]

Kerset, who are you scumreading now rb is dead?

[Kerset]

I am still not sure about Luca role in this wagon. He was switching his votes everywhere and finished on 2nd spot. Just like he would like to be early voter. It was actually 6 votes in 40 posts.


Pedit nomnom and aaron

[Luca Blight]

Kerset, I wanted the Billy lynch all along - it was only due to the fact that no-one else showed interest in the wagon that I was willing to compromise. If you look back, I was the one who initiated the wagon by offering to join it if Xayah switched her vote.

[Kerset]

You could say this as well in case that me or xaya get lynched.