Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Luca Blight]

I was actively pushing the Billy lynch. I wasn’t actively pushing any of the other wagons. Billy was always my main suspect ever since his push on Skitter.

[nomnomnom]

I don't really see how I'm negative. If you want to see true negativity you need to read some of the other games I played, people like skitter can assess for me how frustrated and unhinged I can get

But this game ain't one of those.

Also let's see what happens if I VOTE: Aaron

[Luca Blight]

You admitted yourself that you feel up against it, which is itself a negative feeling, no?

You’re obviously not openly pouring out the negativity, it’s just the vibes I’m getting under the surface. You’re not showing the kind of mindset id expect from town after scum was lynched D1.

[Luca Blight]

Just going by the interactions with Billy, I *think* Suji is Town.

[Luca Blight]

I dont like the rb wagon right now. My read came around on that. Aaron isnt a bad vote at the moment, but I think Kerset is the best chance for scum at the moment. Their weird interaction upon rb's entrance. The vote on rb after rb was scumreading them. The poor reaction to pressure. Theres not anything really townie in the iso.

VOTE: Kerset

@S_S I'm confused why Skitt looks worse after a town Kerset flip. Care to explain? I dont generally do pre-flip associatives but I'd like to know where you're coming from.

This vote made Kerset the main wagon at the time. kerset is probably Town.

[Luca Blight]

Skitter is Town, if that still needed pointing out. SS I’m pretty sure is Town as well.

[Luca Blight]

Billy/Nom/Fetchd scumteam would make sense.

Still some slots that need sorting, however.

[Kerset]

For me it the bad thing about nom3 wasn't exactly the fact that she opposed billy wagon. When wagon started nom3 was indeed negative about it but

I admit I am still confused that Billy out of all people in this playerlist is getting wagoned. It just feels so random, so much of an easy target to go after, the guy had barely any content and people went after him on day 1 with people making extremely dodgy posts. I still don't understand. I think that the wagon is extremely bad and probably has scum in it. I can't comprehend how people went to the conclusion that Billy was a good lynch. Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.

In fact if I was to look at this wagon and point at someone who I think is scum I'd definitely vote Xayah here.

back there she tried to point us at xaya - the natural conterwagon that billy voted. Later she turned this read by 180 from unknown reasons, so i doubt that she was genuine by leading us there.

soz but I really want this game to move forward now and I'm honestly mind boggled by this Xayah push lol

Xayah flips green please go on Aaron or Kerset.

[Luca Blight]

I'm gonna ISO Billy. I did feel a little sketched out by him but I don't exactly remember why.

I just read through Billy's ISO. It seems fine to me. Sure, he's not likely a power role, but granted, there doesn't seem to be anything that says he's scum, at least in my point of view.

Pm, are you fully caught up?

I'll be going back and forth with catching up and discussing the current issue at hand. Like I said, I don't see any issue with Billy, but granted, I will need to look at the context of each important post he made.

PM looks sketchy as well.

[Luca Blight]

Yes, I agree with you on that, Kerset.

[Kerset]

One correction: it was xaya who voted billy, not the opposite

[nomnomnom]

back there she tried to point us at xaya - the natural conterwagon that billy voted. Later she turned this read by 180 from unknown reasons, so i doubt that she was genuine by leading us there.

That actually isn't what happened but alright. I was voting you, then I thought Xayah did something suspicious so I voted there. Then I saw how she reacted and thought she was town. This is revision

[Luca Blight]

Nom, do you agree with the townreads I specified above?

[AaronFrost]

Aaron you should say L-1, when person is one vote away from lynch.

This is a weird thing to focus on after a scum flip but I didn't think it was necessary after we had just had a vc on the same page. I felt it was pretty clear that my vote put them at L-1.

[AaronFrost]

I believe Nom was the main opposer to the initial Billy wagon, and pushed it onto Frost again for what I considered to be poor reasoning.

Frost was also protecting Billy in a way which was a little strange, however. He wasn’t particularly townreading Billy so even before the flip I found it strange how much he was protecting him. I need to do some more digging but atm I think there’s a good chance one of these are scum.

I can see why you think this but I wouldn't say I was trying to protect him, moreso that I was unsure and thought there were better lynch options at the time.

[nomnomnom]

Nom, do you agree with the townreads I specified above?

S_S I agree with, still some doubts with skitter.

Xayah's pretty much town too at this point.

[AaronFrost]

I have a good feeling that perhaps scum was on that wagon late for townpoints. Just an intuition.

What are your opinions on Suji and Kerset then?

[AaronFrost]

I admit I am still confused that Billy out of all people in this playerlist is getting wagoned. It just feels so random, so much of an easy target to go after, the guy had barely any content and people went after him on day 1 with people making extremely dodgy posts. I still don't understand. I think that the wagon is extremely bad and probably has scum in it. I can't comprehend how people went to the conclusion that Billy was a good lynch. Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.

pedit: @Luca I am conflicted. I think I can't in good conscience put her anywhere else than Null. She's making extremely odd moves here that I'm not used to see, although again I've seen her do this in a micro with me where I thought the fact that she missed a logical conclusion for an entire day was perhaps indicative of a scum mindset, but she was town and simply paranoid of people. But here I don't get that at all so I'm just confused.

I don't like this Billy wagon, it comes out of nowhere and is lacking in substance, at least the way I see it. The argument is completely meta-driven as well so I am unconvinced, why are people joining this wagon?

Yeah nom's ISO in relation to Billy is really bad. After these two posts where she's clearly opposed to the Billy wagon and tries to actively push it onto either me/Kerset there is no other mention of Billy for the rest of the day. Even when the wagon builds up speed, she still tries to push the vote elsewhere.

Her entire Day 2 is bad in relation to Billy's flip as well.

[AaronFrost]

Good lynch

, didn't expect Billy to actually flip scum.

Also was 100% sure that rb was town, called it!

What's the plan today?

That's not what you were saying yesterday.

[nomnomnom]

Good lynch

, didn't expect Billy to actually flip scum.

Also was 100% sure that rb was town, called it!

What's the plan today?

That's not what you were saying yesterday.

Well yes, turns out I was wrong.

[AaronFrost]

I have a good feeling that perhaps scum was on that wagon late for townpoints. Just an intuition.

This is possible too. Suji was kind of sketching me out toward the end of the day.

[AaronFrost]

I'd like to correct you on one point: I did not oppose Billy's lynch, I was unsure he would flip scum.

A real opposition would be when people started voting rb en masse and I went out my way to defend them. THAT is opposition. I'm pleasantly surprised that billy flipped scum so that's a plus, but I'm not scum and lynching me would ruin our momentum.

Frost would be a good lynch today I believe.

That is what you did with Billy though, as evidenced by the fact that you tried to push the wagon onto me or Kerset.

[AaronFrost]

Haven't revisited kerset yet so still a scumlean.

Also yes I feel I'm up against it because I can read a gamestate and on top of avoiding getting lynched, I want to redirect town's attention on a scum lynch pattern rather than waste time on me, and in worse case scenario make me flip and giving scum some room to breathe. That's bad.

Dude she just admitted to trying to avoid getting lynched. Of course someone who's under pressure as scum is going to say "you're wasting time on me move to someone else."

Deflection to the highest degree.

VOTE: nom

[AaronFrost]

It's a courtesy, not a rule, but it's just as polite to announce intent before hammering usually

But it was also like 6 hours to deadline or whatever so at that point it was kinda inevitable

I guess i'm kinda confused why you're calling out aaron and not suji there

Pedit @kerset

Back there i still wasn't sure whenever suji was aware that it was a hammer(at the moment of post), so i didn't want to start trivial argues in which he could make various standpoints.

I'm willing to give Suji the benefit of the doubt that they knew it was a hammer, but it was still a sketchy hammer imo.

[AaronFrost]

I don't really see how I'm negative. If you want to see true negativity you need to read some of the other games I played, people like skitter can assess for me how frustrated and unhinged I can get

But this game ain't one of those.

Also let's see what happens if I VOTE: Aaron

There were definitely points where you got frustrated on Day 1.