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Post Post #4875 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:34 am

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In post 4859, Hectic wrote:Hopkirk + Titus + Kop are my top scumreads for now. The only non-confirmed person that I'm not scumleaning/reading is Aaron and Garmr, though Aaron's claim of a Hectic-Hopkirk scumpair is slightly dodgy.

I bought Hopkirk's townread on me because apparently I have a "towntell" and he's had similar strong townreads on me in the past that have been accurate while he was town. I was aware it could just be him buddying me, but I was leaning towards him being town since the rest of his play seemed helpful/genuine. This sudden flip on me is really unnatural though, and I don't buy the reasons for it. Kop didn't mention most players in the game. I did mention Titus enough.

Also there's the factor that his scumread on me relies on all of his scumreads being correct, so it's a fairly weak link.


I'm townreading Garmr based on his frustration recently, though perhaps I'm too easily swayed. Could someone remind me of what Garmr lied about earlier in the game which Lilly caught him out for?
It doesn't rely on that but let's try a thought experiment. Assume I'm scum and this is what I think then which of the following am I planning.

1- bus and lynch (likely all) of my partners to get a lynch on you. People I've wanted lynched since d2.
2- lynch those people, have at least one flip town, then either try and lynch you anyway or change my mind on you?
3- try and lynch you first despite repetedly saying those three are my top three scumreads, more people scumread them than scumread you. I've actively said I want to lynch them first.

Aaron I townread too, can you explain why the meta read you had on him has changed? I don't recall you liking him before.
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Post Post #4876 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:36 am

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In post 4238, Hectic wrote:
In post 4228, Hopkirk wrote:
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I'm going to go with a nice townread on Aaron actually.

1950- scumgame finishing the same time this started. Aaron doesn't really give a read on anyone for 200 posts. Barely townreads anyone, scumreads aren't particulrly justified.
1949- Catch up is very similar to this game. Gives a lot of reads early on. Changes reads (two townreads for most of the game flip to scumreads)
1954- frequent reads

This game- catch up mirrors thought process in 1949. Mind changes frequently enough (excuse the formatting). Not afraid to give reads. The previous scumtopic (1950) that ended when this started makes me think Aaron wouldn't go into this as confidently as he did with the reads list. Some of the Ate earlier sounds legitimate.
This is where I changed my mind on Aaron @Hectic. How different to you think he feels to what you've played with? I obviously wasn't in these games so it's kind of second hand. I'll probably reread the slot sometime soon.
I see what you mean, I'd accidentally deleted that Aaron!scumgame from my personal wiki. Was just making sure you actually had good reasons to back it up.
Hop is still town, I buy Aaron's reasoning for being more aggressive for now, so he also stays in the town wiki for now.

@Hop: Why is Aaron the top reread priority? Doubting your read on him now?
Looking back to confirm and you changed your mind based on my meta read. Is your townread also based from that meta read?
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Post Post #4877 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:44 am

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@Hectic: why are you surprised I've not got you as locktown anymore/are considering you from POE?

There's 8 potential scum. If you discount Rick/Garmr/Aaron then that leaves 5 (with likely 4 scum in it based on game's I've looked at) at which point why would I/you not consider the other one as possible scum?

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You seem to have basically this as your lynchpool but with Rick added - please clarify this as it's unclear if you're treating him as confirmed.
Can you point to any interactions you've had with them that make any of them less likely partners?
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Post Post #4878 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:53 am

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I am unsure why I like texcat after an iso there, like at all.
I need to look closer at who was on the Eevee/Alonzo wagons/counterwagons there. Think I've locked Eevee as scum based on a counterwagon that may be most/all town.
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Post Post #4879 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:56 am

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In post 3396, profii wrote:So here is how the game has progressed for me:

Firstly, I think I scum read rooster early on, certainly in my mind, but I think i did also post - there wasn't much reason in the thread but he was posting in the hood, but not in the game which bothered me, I felt it was too early in the game to call it out but it adds up something wasn't right

Rooster left with nothing really happening in the hood.

Gook straight up asked me who is scum and I said IDK. In hindsight, this will be my best move of the game ha ha

Gook talks about elements a lot without actually giving a stance. It was still in the 'I dont trust you and you dont trust me' section of the hood

Gook tried to pressure me into giving more reads, but I couldnt be bothered reviewing 80 odd pages when a flip was incoming and he didnt like that at all, but I am lazy ok. I guess he wanted to know if i should be pushed if my reads were decent, idk be hard to influence that from his position.

He thinks JJD is town

He then says he thinks him being a gunsmith + elements role meant a scum doc exists (not sure what elements claimed if anything - i dont have a note here?)

He also says it's confirmed a scum doctor targetted a mason, but i dont know if this is true and i guess from our hood position he doesnt know if his known scum-mates made the n1 kill or if they got blocked - i.e. if it's single or multiball

He then does say depending on how big the scum team is there is most likely a serial killer (and earlier he asked how big i think the scum team is, so i think that gives something away)

He said he didnt want to claim because he'd probably die :lol: (sorry if you are reading)

He speculates eevee is the doc.

He said he would gunsmith Hopkirk or eevee but then I pointed out we thought eevee was a doc and he then picked from a pool of players i presented.

then he died.
Eevee may not be scum if the traitor rolecop wanted a credible reason to target Eevee actually.

Feel like the line about SK suggests this probably is the 4p scumteam as consistent with numbers.
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Post Post #4880 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:57 am

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VOTE: Titus
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Post Post #4881 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:03 am

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Still don't see why Cliff was lynched when we were waiting for and could have benefited from Kop's replacement.
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Post Post #4882 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:12 am

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What do you think of aaron hop?
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Post Post #4883 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:16 am

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Were i am now is that i think hopk is scum

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The interaction of late between hopk and hectic do feel rather funny. Not sure is scum hopk is eitehr distancing from hectic or just trying to portray that. So not entirly sure on how hectic fits in yet
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Post Post #4884 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:18 am

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Hectic did claim surv. And his iso kinda matches it.
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Post Post #4885 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:24 am

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In post 4882, EeveeLution Army wrote:What do you think of aaron hop?
Town as I said twice above, based on the meta read. Scum him seemed a lot more cautious where he feels more open here.
In post 4883, bob3141 wrote:Were i am now is that i think hopk is scum

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The interaction of late between hopk and hectic do feel rather funny. Not sure is scum hopk is eitehr distancing from hectic or just trying to portray that. So not entirly sure on how hectic fits in yet
No indication why, seems pretty par for the course.
In post 4884, EeveeLution Army wrote:Hectic did claim surv. And his iso kinda matches it.
There's no way he's a survivor who joke claimed it page 1.
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Post Post #4886 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:25 am

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I don't understand how you're so happy with so much of the game not doing anything Bob.
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Post Post #4887 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:41 am

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In post 4858, Garmr wrote:Can we just flip me first I'm town but I'm sick of this game/ Everyone basically scum reading me for my role I don't want to play.
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Post Post #4888 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:44 am

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In post 4869, Garmr wrote:Sigh I didn't know if doctor existed back then it could of been a jailkeeper ect. I wanted scum to hunt a imaginary doctor and not shoot the mason it's fucking simple. I didn't expect the actual real doctor/protective role to be fucking stupid.
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Post Post #4889 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:45 am

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I fucked it up but I have no reason to hide my role modifier if it could be gamethrowing later on.
And you couldn't have forseen it.
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Post Post #4890 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:47 am

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Hectic's sus on you hopkirk is so ironic I'm just lol
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Post Post #4891 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:56 am

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Kop, , Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, Hopkirk, , Garmr, , , AaronFrost, texcat

mm 8 players with upto 5 beign scum.
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Post Post #4892 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:07 am

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VOTE: Titus


Every combination of scum i look at he appears in everyone.
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Post Post #4893 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:13 am

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Kop, Billy Pilgrim, Rick Dalton, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, Hopkirk, Garmr, bob3141, AaronFrost, texcat

List of everyone who isn't confirmed. And I know kop got replaced but I'm speaking for the slot right now.

Kop, Rick Dalton, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, Hopkirk, Garmr, bob3141, AaronFrost, texcat

Effectively confirmed. Pilgrim somewhat cleared by Cliff's flip.

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, Hopkirk, AaronFrost, texcat

Theoretically unchallenged PR claims removed.

With a traitor I have a suspicion we have a scumteam of four. I don't believe Hopkirk and Hectic to be both scum by their blatantly weird interactions that would be risky to uphold at this point (I may revisit later if the situation demands it, though).

So I have a feeling that there's only one town in [Kop, Eevee, Titus, Aaron, texcat].

Based on reads alone I really don't like the pool, but that's PoE.
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Post Post #4894 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:13 am

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lol I wrote all that shit and Bob posted a tl;Dr as soon as I was done
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Post Post #4895 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:16 am

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I'm having greater doubts with Titus right now due to her interactions with the rest of the players in that pool. She'd be bussing a little bit everywhere.

Also, on one paranoid side of my mind, I don't believe Dalton's doctor claim. If he lives to lylo I'll act on those concerns, but for now I have no reason to.
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Post Post #4896 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:17 am

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As much as I have loved Aaron and Eevee through this game, I'm willing to off them after a little bit more consolidation from myself.
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Post Post #4897 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:18 am

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btw Bob, you're not cleared by cliff in my mind.
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Post Post #4898 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:19 am

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I mean, you are, but not as much as pilgrim
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Post Post #4899 (ISO) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:57 am

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Can anyone tell me why TexCat is town and what opinions you she holds close other than scum reading me.
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