Newbie 1964 [Game Over]

[Micc]

So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I don't see any reason why you can't have multiple RVS votes. I think you could safely say that I've moved the game out of RVS. What scum motivation do you see in that? Why would I call out a tactic that you claim that I am using myself thus drawing attention to it?

I don't think you deserve credit for moving the game from RVS by laying down extra RVS votes when Karnage and I are over here trying to ask game advancing questions. I do think there is scum motivation for you to misrepresent who is doing the real work here.

[BBmolla]

Should I purposefully not follow Micc as town even if I agree with him?

Do you currently townread Micc? if so, why?

Yes because our thought process was exactly the same

[skitter30]

- probs and jovanilic868 have about 24 hours to confirm before being replaced

replacing probs and jovanilic868

[skitter30]

billy pilgrim replaces probs
bepwei replaces jovanilic868

[skitter30]

Vote Count 1.2

bbmolla (2) ~

karnage, lcpl jones

gyro zeppeli (2) ~

micc, bbmolla

jovanilic868 (1) ~

gyro zeppeli

micc (1) ~

arkias

Not voting (3) ~

billy pilgrim, Salsae, bepwei

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-15 09:00:00)

mod notes:

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[Billy Pilgrim]

Wow only played with Micc before and like part of a game with Karnage before. How you two doing?
Doesnt seem like I missed all that much.

VOTE: local jones

Because you're the leading poster and I dont feel like anything you're doing is advancing the game at the moment.

[Micc]

oh hey Billy! that game was sweet other than the losing part.

[Karnage]

Wow only played with Micc before and like part of a game with Karnage before. How you two doing?
Doesnt seem like I missed all that much.

VOTE: local jones

Because you're the leading poster and I dont feel like anything you're doing is advancing the game at the moment.

I'm doing well, good to see you replace in

thats L-2 btw

[Karnage]

thats L-2 btw

No its not, I'm an idiot

[LCpl Jones]

So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I feel like you're badgering (see what I did there) the LCpl a little bit.

Whats wrong with a second RVS vote? We haven't even had every player post yet I don't think. I made a second RVS vote but for some reason you didn't see the need to comment on it.

Yeah, I've heard that one once or twice.

From a theory standpoint, I see making an RVS vote as unproductive for town. Scum hunting has to begin eventually and a productive member of the town will eagerly make it happen as early as possible. That doesn't really hold true in practice as people love cracking jokes especially with people they are familiar with, but it makes sense from a theory standpoint. I didn't take your post 29 as a RVS vote because you seemed to be trying to actively move the game forward with your other posts, and that's not something I see from LCpl Jones.

Das pretty gay

Feel free to explain your vote. Karnage did ask about it after all.

I’m going with my theory that you wanted to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise.

Couldn't sheeping be seen as wanting "to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise"? You seem to hold different players to different standards

Yeah, and I think I acknowledged that. At some point you gotta engage and understand if that's the motivation propelling them to sheep or if they are following in the footsteps of a read they believe in that came from a player they believe is town. The former is bad sheeping the latter is acceptable sheeping. LCpl Jones doesn't seem to have looked into BBmolla's motivation for sheeping which is why I'm questioning him about it.

As I explicitly said I didn't think BBmolla was sheeping at that point and I definitely don't think that you should be believed to be town at this point. I find this very scummy of you.

VOTE: micc

[LCpl Jones]

VOTE: gyro zepp

Ez game

Probably just going to sheep Micc all game

Spoiler:

Oh, please. In what world is this not a RVS vote and to say that Karnage got the game out of RVS is just plain wrong. Game advancing questions didn't start till your #32.

[LCpl Jones]

I phrased that wrongly - "Karnage got the game out of RVS by asking game advancing questions". This I grant you happened but it didn't happen until #34-#40.

[Micc]

Also 7 and 15, and 20 and 21...

Look man, you can’t have both ways. One posts says you didn’t believe BBmolla was sheeping at that point and that your vote was a joke poking fun at the irony of you sheeping Karnage’s vote which he placed as a reaction to BBmolla sheeping. A later post you try to take credit for that interaction moving the game past the RVS stage.

Those things just don’t go together. If your BBmolla vote was an RVS joke, then it was actively hindering the game from moving forward, not helping it.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Wow only played with Micc before and like part of a game with Karnage before. How you two doing?
Doesnt seem like I missed all that much.

VOTE: local jones

Because you're the leading poster and I dont feel like anything you're doing is advancing the game at the moment.

I'm doing well, good to see you replace in

thats L-2 btw

Who did you think was voting him?

[Karnage]

Wow only played with Micc before and like part of a game with Karnage before. How you two doing?
Doesnt seem like I missed all that much.

VOTE: local jones

Because you're the leading poster and I dont feel like anything you're doing is advancing the game at the moment.

I'm doing well, good to see you replace in

thats L-2 btw

Who did you think was voting him?

In my head I had Micc and BBMolla voting him

[skitter30]

prodding gyro zeppeli, salsae, and arkias

[bepwei]

what experience have the rest of you newer players in mafia?

I’ve played quite a few games on another forum. Some quite interesting setups. This is my first here though. Not sure about the RVS on this site though haha. Day one is much more chill on my other site. But I can get behind it.

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Insert something useful here idfk

[Karnage]

I'd almost feel like policy lynching that slot ngl.

under what policy?

seriously though I don't think that a certain person, not to be rude, but this is my opinion, is going to be very helpful.

Insert something useful here idfk

LCpl Jones may be psychic

Spoiler:

[bepwei]

I have played many games off site. Where I came from though, the RVS was way more chill. I’m not super used to voted people right out the gate haha.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'd almost feel like policy lynching that slot ngl.

under what policy?

seriously though I don't think that a certain person, not to be rude, but this is my opinion, is going to be very helpful.

Insert something useful here idfk

LCpl Jones may be psychic

Spoiler:

You sure that's who he was talking about? That original post came right after the BB post.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Hey Zepp, you gonna play or you just gonna screw around? I checked your other games and they are all pretty non helpful content. In the one where you got lynched, you were vt, and still completely unhelpful.

It's too early to talk about a policy lynch, because that type of shit let's scum sit under the radar for longer. But Zepp, you need to try a bit. Culture on this site is to at least try on D1. This bullshit you're pulling doesnt help either wincon.

[Karnage]

You sure that's who he was talking about? That original post came right after the BB post.

I figured it was referring to Gyro (whom BB had voted)

[Billy Pilgrim]

So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I feel like you're badgering (see what I did there) the LCpl a little bit.

Whats wrong with a second RVS vote? We haven't even had every player post yet I don't think. I made a second RVS vote but for some reason you didn't see the need to comment on it.

Yeah, I've heard that one once or twice.

From a theory standpoint, I see making an RVS vote as unproductive for town. Scum hunting has to begin eventually and a productive member of the town will eagerly make it happen as early as possible. That doesn't really hold true in practice as people love cracking jokes especially with people they are familiar with, but it makes sense from a theory standpoint. I didn't take your post 29 as a RVS vote because you seemed to be trying to actively move the game forward with your other posts, and that's not something I see from LCpl Jones.

Das pretty gay

Feel free to explain your vote. Karnage did ask about it after all.

I’m going with my theory that you wanted to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise.

Couldn't sheeping be seen as wanting "to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise"? You seem to hold different players to different standards

Yeah, and I think I acknowledged that. At some point you gotta engage and understand if that's the motivation propelling them to sheep or if they are following in the footsteps of a read they believe in that came from a player they believe is town. The former is bad sheeping the latter is acceptable sheeping. LCpl Jones doesn't seem to have looked into BBmolla's motivation for sheeping which is why I'm questioning him about it.

As I explicitly said I didn't think BBmolla was sheeping at that point and I definitely don't think that you should be believed to be town at this point. I find this very scummy of you.

VOTE: micc

Can you explain this? I'm confused by it. The way I understand it is that you dont think BB was sheeping (which to be fair is mostly consistent if not entirely with how you've been talking about this) you dont think that Micc should be townread. I'm unclear on what you think from there makes Micc scummy.

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Hey Zepp, you gonna play or you just gonna screw around? I checked your other games and they are all pretty non helpful content. In the one where you got lynched, you were vt, and still completely unhelpful.

It's too early to talk about a policy lynch, because that type of shit let's scum sit under the radar for longer. But Zepp, you need to try a bit. Culture on this site is to at least try on D1. This bullshit you're pulling doesnt help either wincon.

And do what D1, waffle about pointless shit?