Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Nero Cain]

[davesaz]

I’m going to design a game with a shitpost vig that can only shoot shitposters. Inspired by this game.

[Bingle]

Okay, we're two tiering this sucker. I'm going to fill in what I can from memory, post that, and then fill the rest in from ISO's. Not sure when I'll get around to part 2.

Claimed 3p:

PB- Claimed unrecruitable townsiding 3p with provable ability on a future day. Ignoring for now.


Town:

Mena- Loud and obnoxious in a way likely to draw negative attention to himself. This is probably the best application of PB's activity is town indicative tell, as there's really not much agenda to his posting, other than fun.
BBMolla- Complainy in a way that's not likely to gain friends and claimed a role likely to eat a nk early. Play consistent with beliefs about protown behaviours.
Cephrir- Probably faking a post restriction, potentially not faking as he hasn't broken it yet. Despite the Post restriction being a solid alibi for not producing content, he's not flooding the thread but is actively engaging with AI content whenever he arrives.
Gamma Emerald- Probably the most actively solve-y
Creature- Might be premature, but the tone/solveyness/DGAF together makes my gut say town.
Korina- Mechanical read. Incapable of posting for the first 72 hours, and no one has claimed to be the cause so far, meaning it's more likely a scum ability than a town one. Outside of specific players, I doubt scum uses this on a buddy N0. The type of mechanic (negative utility) makes it more likely town than scum, especially since it's preventing him from having influence as what I see as an inherently proscum mechanic.
Chemist- I know I was townblocing this, but I can't remember why rn.

Nulltown:

FlavorLeaf- He hinted something that makes him likely not groupscum to me without trying to draw attention to it. His MYPOWER posting wrt Governor shot is also slightly more likely to be town FL, but he knows enough about how I read him to fake this as scum. I'm confident I'll read him accurately soon though.
FormerFish- Mostly gut. FF is uncaring about stepping on toes as either alignment, but he's done a couple things that hint he's town and his specifically seeking me out to engage is +equity given his opinion of my play quality.
Zor: Amrun is correct that the angleshooty :noticedthreadwithoutnotification: is likely to come from town. There's a thing I'm looking at him to follow up on, and if he does so this is likely going to upgrade to town. I won't elaborate to avoid spoiling said thing.
Pine: I expect Pinescum to try to enforce thread breathability more than Pine town. He doesn't like to take cheap victories, and the fact that he's letting go and not influencing the thread for readability actually makes me feel good about him.
Dr Easy Bake- Antagonizing FL feels townish after VGhosts, and I think he's a low priority sort anyway.

Full Null (But not worrisome):

AliKise- Honestly not sure where Ali is at headspace wise atm and doubt I'll be able to read em until that clears up.
Tripod- Hasn't done much, but what he has done suggests he's unafraid of being out in the open. I can definitely postpone this solve until later.
gobbledygook
Vorkuta
Iconeum
Wooper
Firebringer
davesaz
Doctor Drew


Absent Null:

chennisden- Could maybe be upgraded to a townread based on his absence, but I'm not unconvinced it's not the game size causing it. He acted like this in AliPine and was town, and recent experience tells me he's proud of his ability to powerwolf and control the thread as scum, but I'm not ready to say it's a town trait from him yet.
Elements- I recognize that this slot has posted, but cannot think of a post they made. Borderline with worrisome null.
Virgo the Immaculate
The Fonz
Hectic - HASN'T POSTED
Dongempire
jadesmar - HASN'T POSTED
KidAmn
EspressoPatronum - I see he's started posting since I started this, but I'm not going to reevaluate mid wall.

Worrisome Null:

TrueSoulEnergy - I want to scumread this, but I think it might be a playstyle thing. The role claim sounds scum, but claiming the role sounds town. It's an interesting carnival of contradictions.
xofelf - I had towntingles here, but the question someone asked about why xof feels different than AliPine (Gamma? I think it was Gamma) rings sound. I saw the response, but I'm forcing a null read here until I feel better about knowing why I want to townread this.
Enter - I have no thoughts about his alignment, yet he is one of the top posters. Additionally, I feel like I should.
Aaron Frost - I feel like I should have a read here, but I have no idea why.


Null Scum

Nero Cain- Asserted that he's an easy read. Argumentative in a way that is unlikely to earn him any real ire, but is likely to make people think "Oh, that's Nero being Nero".
Amrun- While she's saying all of the right things, the way she's saying all of the right things feels manipulative. High priority to determine towny-ness if town, because I think she'll be particularly valuable in sorting a large chunk of the older playerlist based on join date, remembered reputation, and what I've already seen of her logical processes

Scum

Rautherdir - Do you see what I see?
RCEnigma - Seriously though, I'm done giving reasons for now.


Notes:

3 Players haven't posted yet aorn.

[Bingle]

I’m going to design a game with a shitpost vig that can only shoot shitposters. Inspired by this game.

Fun fact, I vetoed this role from the Team Mafia theme game last time because it would skew the game to benefit a specific playstyle.

[davesaz]

If each player writes to each other player 15 times on day 1, we can reach 1000 pages

That’s only 960 pages isn’t it

oh yeah my b
everyone needs to write to every other player slightly more than 15 times

You're both off because you're both counting the player writing to themselves. But we really don't need a combinatorial explosion here.

[EspressoPatronum]

In all seriousness we do need a debate between candidates before day 1.

If Mena doesn't happen, I would also vote FL. FL's unrecruitable claim could make him a good governor choice.

[Nero Cain]

Asserted that he's an easy read. Argumentative in a way that is unlikely to earn him any real ire, but is likely to make people think "Oh, that's Nero being Nero".

this is laughable.

[Bingle]

I also agree with whoever said the Governor provides information to town.

Why?

Give me a situation in which governor provides town information.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Vote Flavor

Stop pls

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m the governor choice.

And my re-evaluation skills are key with a publicly given ability such as this.

I don’t expect this game to have me be a major component in it, allow me to make my mark with this Governor shot and leave some sort of lasting gift.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m going to design a game with a shitpost vig that can only shoot shitposters. Inspired by this game.

Fun fact, I vetoed this role from the Team Mafia theme game last time because it would skew the game to benefit a specific playstyle.

Shitposting is also different depending on who you ask.

[Dr Easy Bake]

I’m the governor choice.

And my re-evaluation skills are key with a publicly given ability such as this.

I don’t expect this game to have me be a major component in it, allow me to make my mark with this Governor shot and leave some sort of lasting gift.

Never

[Nero Cain]

a vig should just be shooting both lurkers and fluff posters. Both extremes are bad.

[Bingle]

It was a vig who could only shoot the person with the most posts that day, iirc.

[davesaz]

Creature- Might be premature, but the tone/solveyness/DGAF together makes my gut say town.

Umm you call this solvey Creature?
I don't disagree with the tone part but I prefer it when people with lemons make lemonade instead of complaining about the situation.
Of course, I can't say that I've seen Creature solve so perhaps it's an easy bar.

[Bingle]

this is laughable.

Elaborate. Did you not do those things? Are they not scum indicative? Do you not believe that I believe that both of those things are true?

[davesaz]

Also you appear to not be noticing my insightful posting. But that's fine, few people ever do.

[KidAmn]

Scum

Rautherdir - Do you see what I see?
RCEnigma - Seriously though, I'm done giving reasons for now.

Having just been scum with Rauth (and saved his ass with a gambit from the dead thread of all places)... not really?

[Bingle]

Creature- Might be premature, but the tone/solveyness/DGAF together makes my gut say town.

Umm you call this solvey Creature?
I don't disagree with the tone part but I prefer it when people with lemons make lemonade instead of complaining about the situation.
Of course, I can't say that I've seen Creature solve so perhaps it's an easy bar.

The complaining is constant. Both Creatures tend to be pretty free with reads. TownCreature tends to make comments that make me think about peoples alignments.

[Bingle]

Also you appear to not be noticing my insightful posting. But that's fine, few people ever do.

I've noticed your posting. I haven't pegged your alignment, but I've noticed your posting. Please note which null category you're in.

[Vorkuta]

@Glorious Leader Vorkuta: If you would like a different form of address,

Hmm yes... this shall suffice

This will help us with keeping people accountable for responding

Excellent excellent.
Indeed. This shall be done

Aren't all Russian names like this?

Gulag

[Nero Cain]

Why is my belief that I'm an easy read scum indicative? Your argumentative point is so vague and its not like I'm NOT argumentive as town. Why is me being argumentative scum indicative if I argue as both alignments? Although I prob much more argumentative as town but lets not trust tell. What about my arguments have been scummy?

And no, I don't think you believe this.

[Vorkuta]

any more than him fluffposting for no tangible benefit.

Also I love your DnD posts.
Please keep them up

[Bingle]

Why is my belief that I'm an easy read scum indicative? Your argumentative point is so vague and its not like I'm NOT argumentive as town. Why is me being argumentative scum indicative if I argue as both alignments? Although I prob much more argumentative as town but lets not trust tell. What about my arguments have been scummy?

And no, I don't think you believe this.

Games I can remember Nero being impactful in off the top of my head:

LNT
Boon Wars
RC UPick

Games I remember someone claiming to be able to read Nero easily:

LNT

Games I remember Nero endgaming as scum against town who thought they could soul read him:

LNT

I don't think you think you're an easy read, and thus the whole "You're lying about it" issue is scummy.

And the point is that you being argumentative is a null tell, but that the specific arguments you're picking are against Gamma (who is low impact and unlikely to be able to 1v1 you in a 40p list) and echoing "Rarrr spam bad" which is... not really a controversial topic. Which I think is scummy.

[Nero Cain]

you think its scummy that I'm anti-spam? lol Dude is just grasping at straws.

Just b/c YOU don't think I'm an easy read doesn't mean I have to think the same thing as you.

Also, I've been calling you scum forever so not that you are calling me scum (for weak reasons) just comes across as OMGUSY and vengeful. You're also whiteknighting Gamma here wich is yuck.