Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Formerfish]

Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Wasnt the deal that on paper it didnt have a state mentioned, and that that only came about when people irl realized that there was an opportunity to take advantage of a loop hole that you could drive a tank through?

Lenin was the leader even during its inception, there always was a leader so that wasnt a surprise addition at the last second
However lenin actually gave a fuck about this utopia whereas stalin made a dictatorship, lenin even specifically told the government in place to NOT put stalin in charge
Its not that it doesnt work, but once you have one person without %100 goodwill then it crumbles

How does Marx fit in? I thought he was the architect behind the principles it was built on.

pedit- total tinfoil hat shit, but he was a democrat until a few years ago...

[Donempire]

I still think Trump could've been fine if he actually distanced himself from explicitly neo-nazi/white supremacist groups.

Considering the whole reason he was elected is "the worst white nan is better than the best black man" ideology, that would cost him %99 if his voters

[Creature]

Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Wasnt the deal that on paper it didnt have a state mentioned, and that that only came about when people irl realized that there was an opportunity to take advantage of a loop hole that you could drive a tank through?

Lenin was the leader even during its inception, there always was a leader so that wasnt a surprise addition at the last second
However lenin actually gave a fuck about this utopia whereas stalin made a dictatorship, lenin even specifically told the government in place to NOT put stalin in charge
Its not that it doesnt work, but once you have one person without %100 goodwill then it crumbles

I imagine how worse would we be if Trotsky actually took the control

[Menalque]

I mean Leninism =/= communism/socialism as conceived of by Marx

[Formerfish]

I still think Trump could've been fine if he actually distanced himself from explicitly neo-nazi/white supremacist groups.

Considering the whole reason he was elected is "the worst white nan is better than the best black man" ideology, that would cost him %99 if his voters

He got elected because Clinton was unpopular enough that a lot of people stayed home and they never expected enough people to vote for Trump to vote him in.

I think that we will see a significant spike in voter turnout on both sides and that its telling that Moscow Mitch calls voter rights laws a "power grab"

[Creature]

I still think Trump could've been fine if he actually distanced himself from explicitly neo-nazi/white supremacist groups.

Considering the whole reason he was elected is "the worst white nan is better than the best black man" ideology, that would cost him %99 if his voters

That's a shame, I liked his book with Robert Kiyosaki and wished he focused more on enterpreneurship

but in politics people can't actually mind their own business

[Menalque]

Also think there’s a really weird distinction being made here between communism and socialism

Like socialism is literally just the word for the predecessor state to communism

[Donempire]

Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Wasnt the deal that on paper it didnt have a state mentioned, and that that only came about when people irl realized that there was an opportunity to take advantage of a loop hole that you could drive a tank through?

Lenin was the leader even during its inception, there always was a leader so that wasnt a surprise addition at the last second
However lenin actually gave a fuck about this utopia whereas stalin made a dictatorship, lenin even specifically told the government in place to NOT put stalin in charge
Its not that it doesnt work, but once you have one person without %100 goodwill then it crumbles

How does Marx fit in? I thought he was the architect behind the principles it was built on.

pedit- total tinfoil hat shit, but he was a democrat until a few years ago...

He was. But im not really an expert on marx, i just know that whatever lenin was doing that worked relied on a central state to expend the resources equally, one that wasnt corrupt. I dont know how marx would have it without someone processing everything

[Formerfish]

When we think about adventure stories one of the first races to be demagogued and maligned are the Orcs, and it is true that in most cases those accusations were correct and they were the ones perpetrating the evil done unto the rest of the realm.

However, there have been many times in the history of the word that speak of Orcs who have turned their backs upon the warmongering of their ancestors and set out on their own to make names for themselves. And when that expression is being used in this case it is meant literally. Orcs have no need for names and in their culture they do not use them. You know who your Alpha is and you know what rung you are in the pecking order by birth. Some have grown to hate and despise the path they are upon and leave all they have known behind to find fame and fortune one way or the other. Many become mercenaries selling their skills to the ones who will supply them with all they never had at home. Others become heros, wandering this way and that trying to undo all the damage the Orc legacy carries.

The most successful are the ones who instead of rejecting their past and the inherent violence that is so intrinsic to the natural way of the Orc, these few embrace that rage. They harness the fire that burns inside of them for the atrocities that both sides have wrought upon each other over thousands of years, and for what? An age old feud that not a single living soul can explain beyond Orcs are evil and must be killed. These few have the ability to show exactly why children wake up in sweats during nightmares, diving into the deepest and darkest part of each of us. They show us in an ugly mirror just what kind of evil ugliness can live inside a person, we make them everything we hate about ourselves, and for this we love to see them fight for us. Better than any bare knuckle match, more real than a back alley brawl. These Gladiators have names that ring bells across lands that haven't even been discovered yet, word traveling faster than foot or sail.

Formerfish, TrueSoulEnergy, Chennisden, Let our names call out to the Gods and seek favor from them, for tonight one of us dines in hell.

Challange: TrueSoulEnergy and Chennisden

election count 1.6

No Governor (13) -

Bingle, xofelf, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, InsideJob711, chennisden, BBmolla, Enter, gobbledygook, Amrun, Iconeum, Chemist1422, Creature

TrueSoulEnergy -

TrueSoulEnergy

chennisden -

Formerfish -

With 40 Alive, it takes 21 to elect a Governor.
You have (expired on 2019-11-16 22:00:00) left in this phase.

I may have missed some no governor votes since the last count. I'm busy and on my phone.

To bring this to the current page since we are getting action here and it's getting buried.

[Menalque]

The fact that classes very clearly still existed in the USSR is enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t actual communism

[Creature]

Also think there’s a really weird distinction being made here between communism and socialism

Like socialism is literally just the word for the predecessor state to communism

Socialism has always been there way before Marx

but it's considered incomplete because it necessitates classes: the state and the people

[Creature]

The fact that classes very clearly still existed in the USSR is enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t actual communism

I think the way communism is designed makes it guaranteed to shift to authoritarianism

[Formerfish]

The fact that classes very clearly still existed in the USSR is enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t actual communism

I think the way communism is designed makes it guaranteed to shift to authoritarianism

Not designed, unfortunately evolved.

[Donempire]

[quote="In post 1600.

pedit- total tinfoil hat shit, but he was a democrat until a few years ago...[/quote]
He doesnt care about politics, i wager he doesnt know the constitution. Back then all he cared about was to plaster his face in marketing ads so his shitty business gained some traffic. This isnt the first time he party switched, hes been doing it since what, 2000? Even as far as back then he was running for president and his plan is just to be as outrageous as possible about whatever party hes in now's beliefs.

[Menalque]

I mean we’ve never had socialism. Where do you think we had public ownership of the means of production? Certainly never in an industrial society have we had public ownership.

You’ve had a handful of situations that had socialist potential but which have always been crushed before they could develop. Like revolutionary Spain, the Paris commune (from what I’ve heard but idk much about it tbf), recently Rojava.

[Formerfish]

Think of Lord of the Flies. Someone or something needs to be in charge, theres no way around that. Even if everyone gets one vote you still have to vote and someone has to pick what you vote on and what you dont.

[Menalque]

The fact that classes very clearly still existed in the USSR is enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t actual communism

I think the way communism is designed makes it guaranteed to shift to authoritarianism

Communism and authoritarianism are literally contradictory tho, how can you have authoritarianism in a classless society?

[Donempire]

I still think Trump could've been fine if he actually distanced himself from explicitly neo-nazi/white supremacist groups.

Considering the whole reason he was elected is "the worst white nan is better than the best black man" ideology, that would cost him %99 if his voters

That's a shame, I liked his book with Robert Kiyosaki and wished he focused more on enterpreneurship

but in politics people can't actually mind their own business

When he did focus on his business, he bankrupted a casino, so i would believe it was in his best interest to run for prez

[Formerfish]

[quote="In post 1600.

pedit- total tinfoil hat shit, but he was a democrat until a few years ago...

He doesnt care about politics, i wager he doesnt know the constitution. Back then all he cared about was to plaster his face in marketing ads so his shitty business gained some traffic. This isnt the first time he party switched, hes been doing it since what, 2000? Even as far as back then he was running for president and his plan is just to be as outrageous as possible about whatever party hes in now's beliefs.[/quote]

Oh for sure, and since he's stupid hes going to get caught doing it all and will be impeached, and then the republican party gets exposed for the morally bankrupt people they are.

[InsideJob711]

"No, socialism is not like Stalin"
1 minute later...
"STOP CRITICIZING ABOUT MY BELOVED STALIN"

"Stalin was hot in his young years "

Doesnt realize the photo was doctored by the state to make him look more appealing

nice

[Creature]

The fact that classes very clearly still existed in the USSR is enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t actual communism

I think the way communism is designed makes it guaranteed to shift to authoritarianism

Communism and authoritarianism are literally contradictory tho, how can you have authoritarianism in a classless society?

A classless society is open to the emergence of new classes

[Menalque]

Think of Lord of the Flies. Someone or something needs to be in charge, theres no way around that. Even if everyone gets one vote you still have to vote and someone has to pick what you vote on and what you dont.

Well Lord of the Flies is predicated on a particular value system pre-existing upon them being thrust into a survival situation. A completely different value system in a situation where people aren’t struggling to meet their basic material needs could produce an entirely different result.

[Creature]

Ancap for example is a terrible idea if you're a libertarian if you know what will happen without law enforcement

[Creature]

The human inability to work with strangers is what makes classless societies impossible

[Donempire]

Do you support socialism?