Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Formerfish]

I like how the french never won a single war

He got defeated by buttons man. Look it up. Legit.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Whats your favourite cheese deb?

I'm a sucker for a sharp cheddar, like manchego a lot, and then there is another I've had but can't remember what it was. It has little enzyme crystals that give a little crunch to the cheese but it's magical

That's meth bro

Drugs are bad friends!

[Formerfish]

Pizza in Naples is something I haven’t have but fuck me im looking forward to

I’m definitely a pizza nerd, and have spent way too much time researching every little thing about pizza, so Naples is the holy land. I’ve gotten close with some Naples D.O.P. Certified Vera Pizza places here in the US (I once flew to San Diego just to eat at one) but I’m sure it’s not like actually being there.

Okay, so I got a question for you:

Chicago deep dish

Pizza or not-pizza?

I say it’s pizza. I’m not one of these pizza purists. Pizza can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. There are many many many different kinds of pizza across the US. I think as long as you are bribing the spirit of pizza along with you, any style is pizza. The only rules exist if you are trying to go with the Naples tradition, and follow all of their specifications. Other than that, pizza is a vehicle to show your personal expression.

Cosign

[Amrun]

Spoiler: 3 post Scumread on Rauth

Okay then...
The governor shot has an advantage that Bingle didn't bring up earlier.
It gives reads. The whole process of voting for the governor shot, and then later how the person with the shot uses it, generates reads. And I believe that offsets the mechanical disadvantages of the shot.

Having said that, at this stage in the game there's only one role that could effectively use governor in this situation that can get away with claiming right now. And that would still be heavily ill-advised due to the presence of a cult. So if we do give someone the governor shot, we probably won't be doing it for mechanical reasons. And since we haven't had enough time to form good reads yet, the next strategy we could use to give the shot is to give it to someone who can be read somewhat easily to see how and if they use it in the first few days.

So I'm going to VOTE: Creature (I could be convinced into voting for DEB as well.)

I mean, DEB seemed pretty easy to read in my last game. (Then again, he got confed day 2 so... my perception might be inaccurate)
And it has been a while since I played with Creature, so if they're no longer an easy read I guess I'll just UNVOTE: and see what other people think of my strat.

Everyone who posted earlier than me is slightly suspect.

Any logic to this?

I got my PM, said "oh hey, this will be fun when it starts" and then left it to chkflip to tell me when it started because I had nothing to do, no reason to engage with the game.

On the other hand, someone who gets a scum PM has a scum PT and is engaged with the game and waiting for it to start and thus noticed when the nonsense begins. Obviously plenty of people will see it in the Large Theme list and what not, but all equal, anyone who posted before chkflip deigned to tell us the game started gets a mild mark against them.

Or, you know, had the sign-up thread bookmarked and noticed the title for the sign-up thread had changed to say the game was now up. That's also possible.

And I disagree that the cult recruiting the governor shot is an issue, I guess it should be clear that that slot probably won't survive very long. (And since it has a high probability of becoming cult then scum would probably shoot the slot at some point.)
To be clear whoever gets the governor shot is the day 5 lynch if they last that long and cult isn't already accounted for. (Exact day adjustable depending on the number of night kills we end up having at night and whether or not there's an early cult leader death. But yeah, as zoraster said, this is a 40 player game. We can afford a one-shot governor, especially if it allows us to create reads and start discussion before getting into day 1. Suggesting otherwise isn't necessarily alignment indicative considering that it's probably the mechanically correct choice, but I don't think it's the correct choice with all things considered.)

First of all, there's so much waffle in these posts I thought I'd walked into a Denny's. Second, he rambles on about explaining exactly why he's doing what he's doing, which makes me think he's very concerned about how people see him and not too concerned about how he sees other people. He's doing this for reads, apparently, but when I've repeatedly asked for people to explain how the existence of a governor gives reads he's been silent. (And yes, this conversation has given the opportunity to read people, but no more than a normal D1 would. And it's certainly caused a lot more thread apathy because of people sitting on their hands doing nothing waiting for the real game to start.)

As soon as he receives pushback on the idea, he drops it with a "I guess I can see what people think of my idea." Unvoting at L-20. Which shows a real commitment to using it as a mechanic to scumhunt.

Further, as soon as zor comes in with a similar sentiment, he jumps right back into the same thing, but the tone isn't "I believe this thing" but rather "Look, someone else believes this thing! I'm not SCUMMY!" And even still, while blatantly hiding behind zor's agreement, he feels the need to defend himself from zor's thought that people who joined the thread early were more likely to be scum.

tl;dr, quickhammer no governor so we can lynch this.

I would vote to kill this.

[Creature]

Okay, I'm back

I missed you

What about me?
Was I ever missed? Ever?

A few more hundred posts and you will be missed

[Creature]

I like how the french never won a single war

He got defeated by buttons man. Look it up. Legit.

I thought he was defeated by the penis thief

[Creature]

Have we finished this phase?

[Formerfish]

I didn't think I'd ever have to create a rule about off-topic discussion. Or mass multi-posting.

Please don't make me have to.

I didn't think that this was a bastard game and that my role pm would lie to me. Guess this is a day of surprises for both of us.

[Amrun]

Stop voting for no governor. It's more fun if we have it in the game.[/quote

Arguing against NG in the abstract but not making a case for one of the three possible candidates is SUCH a poser move.

Agreed. Elements is scummy.

[Formerfish]

your precious Yang will never be president.

also, VOTE: FF

Aww... You like me. You really like me!

[Amrun]

The fucking off topic spam is killing my will to play this game. End this phase already. JFC.

[Dr Easy Bake]

The fucking off topic spam is killing my will to play this game. End this phase already. JFC.

No reason to get upset. Those emotions don't need to be voiced, this is a safe space where everyone is happy!

[Nero Cain]

your precious Yang will never be president.

also, VOTE: FF

Aww... You like me. You really like me!

I mean, you did trade me Mahomes. Is Green out this week?

[Formerfish]

Since my last post, exactly one important thing happened, AFAICT. No, FF, gladiator does not normally preclude no lynching. Even if it did, this is a theme game and was reviewed for balance in 2013 so arguments to change the roles midgame based on the wiki aren't exactly going to work.

It's how my role pm was written. Is specific in what my role does. It doesn't account for choosing outside the 2 or 3 choices I single out.

[Formerfish]

Jesus, 30 fucking pages today, most of which were politics related? I'm impressed and also horrified. That'll teach me to sleep.

So, I read what and why fish did what he did, and I'm still not exactly understanding how that actually helps anything? even with that whole thing, governor is still bad, even if it were to go to any of those 3 people, right? fish's ability is usually fairly anti-town and he used it in the least anti-town way he could probably, yeah? What does that mean after this? I realize at this rate being confused about things is just going to be my thing, but no really, I don't exactly get it and trying to make sense of it.

Also yeah, what chen said. What's up with gobble?

It means I just turned myself into a VT for nothing...

[Formerfish]

Can someone try and pagetop that there was a gladiate and we only have 4 choices now?

Getting there.

[Formerfish]

chkflip died in an explosion of fire! They were Innocent Bystander: Cobble-Aligned Chocolate Townsperson
coldheartedking was pelted to death with arrows! They were Jane Doe: Ascension-Aligned Cult Recruit
Korina has been silenced! They may not speak in-game for 1 day, 4 hours, 30 minutes, or until a winner has been chosen for the pre-d1 election. Whichever is sooner.

How come no one has talked about korina yet?

[Formerfish]

Kor might have something worth knowing in relation to the Gov. Maybe we wait?

[Formerfish]

god never existed.

That's fair.

[chkflip]

final election count 1.7

No Governor (21) -

Bingle, xofelf, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, InsideJob711, chennisden, BBmolla, Enter, gobbledygook, Amrun, Iconeum, Chemist1422, Creature, cephrir, dong empire, Menalque, Pine, wooper, The Fonz, zoraster, Nero Cain

TrueSoulEnergy -

TrueSoulEnergy

chennisden -

Formerfish -

EspressoPatronum,

No Governor hammered. It is now day one. 21 still majority.
You have (expired on 2019-11-16 22:00:00) left in this phase.

Korina is no longer silenced.

[Formerfish]

You're ours, Fishy. Never leave. (or else)

Hell I couldn't start over. It's taken me 6 years to get to this level and I still suck most of the time.

And who else is gonna put up with me anyways?

[Formerfish]

I like how the french never won a single war

This is why u take history

would rather take drugs

Do both...

[Formerfish]

Whats your favourite cheese deb?

I'm a sucker for a sharp cheddar, like manchego a lot, and then there is another I've had but can't remember what it was. It has little enzyme crystals that give a little crunch to the cheese but it's magical

That's meth bro

Explains why I started to suck dick for cheese.

[Dr Easy Bake]

NOOOOOOOOOO
My hammer is sad now.

[Formerfish]

Spoiler: 3 post Scumread on Rauth

Okay then...
The governor shot has an advantage that Bingle didn't bring up earlier.
It gives reads. The whole process of voting for the governor shot, and then later how the person with the shot uses it, generates reads. And I believe that offsets the mechanical disadvantages of the shot.

Having said that, at this stage in the game there's only one role that could effectively use governor in this situation that can get away with claiming right now. And that would still be heavily ill-advised due to the presence of a cult. So if we do give someone the governor shot, we probably won't be doing it for mechanical reasons. And since we haven't had enough time to form good reads yet, the next strategy we could use to give the shot is to give it to someone who can be read somewhat easily to see how and if they use it in the first few days.

So I'm going to VOTE: Creature (I could be convinced into voting for DEB as well.)

I mean, DEB seemed pretty easy to read in my last game. (Then again, he got confed day 2 so... my perception might be inaccurate)
And it has been a while since I played with Creature, so if they're no longer an easy read I guess I'll just UNVOTE: and see what other people think of my strat.

Everyone who posted earlier than me is slightly suspect.

Any logic to this?

I got my PM, said "oh hey, this will be fun when it starts" and then left it to chkflip to tell me when it started because I had nothing to do, no reason to engage with the game.

On the other hand, someone who gets a scum PM has a scum PT and is engaged with the game and waiting for it to start and thus noticed when the nonsense begins. Obviously plenty of people will see it in the Large Theme list and what not, but all equal, anyone who posted before chkflip deigned to tell us the game started gets a mild mark against them.

Or, you know, had the sign-up thread bookmarked and noticed the title for the sign-up thread had changed to say the game was now up. That's also possible.

And I disagree that the cult recruiting the governor shot is an issue, I guess it should be clear that that slot probably won't survive very long. (And since it has a high probability of becoming cult then scum would probably shoot the slot at some point.)
To be clear whoever gets the governor shot is the day 5 lynch if they last that long and cult isn't already accounted for. (Exact day adjustable depending on the number of night kills we end up having at night and whether or not there's an early cult leader death. But yeah, as zoraster said, this is a 40 player game. We can afford a one-shot governor, especially if it allows us to create reads and start discussion before getting into day 1. Suggesting otherwise isn't necessarily alignment indicative considering that it's probably the mechanically correct choice, but I don't think it's the correct choice with all things considered.)

First of all, there's so much waffle in these posts I thought I'd walked into a Denny's. Second, he rambles on about explaining exactly why he's doing what he's doing, which makes me think he's very concerned about how people see him and not too concerned about how he sees other people. He's doing this for reads, apparently, but when I've repeatedly asked for people to explain how the existence of a governor gives reads he's been silent. (And yes, this conversation has given the opportunity to read people, but no more than a normal D1 would. And it's certainly caused a lot more thread apathy because of people sitting on their hands doing nothing waiting for the real game to start.)

As soon as he receives pushback on the idea, he drops it with a "I guess I can see what people think of my idea." Unvoting at L-20. Which shows a real commitment to using it as a mechanic to scumhunt.

Further, as soon as zor comes in with a similar sentiment, he jumps right back into the same thing, but the tone isn't "I believe this thing" but rather "Look, someone else believes this thing! I'm not SCUMMY!" And even still, while blatantly hiding behind zor's agreement, he feels the need to defend himself from zor's thought that people who joined the thread early were more likely to be scum.

tl;dr, quickhammer no governor so we can lynch this.

I would vote to kill this.

You won't touch Bingle sir. I may not be able to fight you directly, but I'll fuck you up if you touch a hair on that beautiful head of his. Get me?