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[Hopkirk]

I feel like the lack of vote counts is going to result in an accidental hammer, or someone claiming they accident hammered at some point this game.

[Hectic]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

[Hopkirk]

I thought you townread him for other reasons?

I can see why he'd lie- so scum don't shoot at the one confirmed town since they expect her to get protected.

[Hectic]

I townread him for his AtEs and generally erratic play, but that was before I learnt about this lie.
I think the negatives of having to lie about something like that outweigh the positives. There might actually be a doctor who counterclaims him, and he always looks bad in that scenario, a lot of things can go wrong basically.
Not sure why he'd lie as scum either though. Maybe he's not a voyuer and he's making up results based on scummy buddy track's.

[Hectic]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

[Garmr]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

It's so simple I think a newbie could get it.

It relies on three factors.

1. In my eyes No one visited the living mason because i misread the result
2. A mason died
3.I wanted to save the mason.

With those three things I thought one
1.the doctor may of been roleblocked and saying a doctors actions went through would trick scum into thinking they missed.
2.If there was no doctor scum will hunt a imaginary one.
3. Scum wouldn't shoot the mason because they would think she was protected.


Also people say it's scum trying to out the doctor
1.What dumb ass doctor would out themselves. They should quit mafia if they do.
2.it gives me flack
3.there's better ways of outing the doctor


Like this is all basic stuff I don't understand why people can't comprehend such basic shit and been here for so long.

[Garmr]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

[Hectic]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

It's so simple I think a newbie could get it.

It relies on three factors.

1. In my eyes No one visited the living mason because i misread the result
2. A mason died
3.I wanted to save the mason.

With those three things I thought one
1.the doctor may of been roleblocked and saying a doctors actions went through would trick scum into thinking they missed.
2.If there was no doctor scum will hunt a imaginary one.
3. Scum wouldn't shoot the mason because they would think she was protected.


Also people say it's scum trying to out the doctor
1.What dumb ass doctor would out themselves. They should quit mafia if they do.
2.it gives me flack
3.there's better ways of outing the doctor


Like this is all basic stuff I don't understand why people can't comprehend such basic shit and been here for so long.

I get that, but eventually your lie will be outed when no doctor can confirm your claim during a mass claim, and that suddenly puts suspicion on you for lying.
But I see a lot more town motivation there now than scum motivation.

[Hectic]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

Ah, that makes sense.

[Garmr]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

It's so simple I think a newbie could get it.

It relies on three factors.

1. In my eyes No one visited the living mason because i misread the result
2. A mason died
3.I wanted to save the mason.

With those three things I thought one
1.the doctor may of been roleblocked and saying a doctors actions went through would trick scum into thinking they missed.
2.If there was no doctor scum will hunt a imaginary one.
3. Scum wouldn't shoot the mason because they would think she was protected.


Also people say it's scum trying to out the doctor
1.What dumb ass doctor would out themselves. They should quit mafia if they do.
2.it gives me flack
3.there's better ways of outing the doctor


Like this is all basic stuff I don't understand why people can't comprehend such basic shit and been here for so long.

I get that, but eventually your lie will be outed when no doctor can confirm your claim during a mass claim, and that suddenly puts suspicion on you for lying.
But I see a lot more town motivation there now than scum motivation.

Yeah when mass claim happens is the key. until then mason is safe and smart town will understand why I did it.

[texcat]

Pine (6)(L-1)

: Billy 4978, Hectic 4988, Davesaz 4989, Aaron 4990, Garmr 4992, Bob 4998

Eevee(1)

: Rick 4952

Garmr(1)

: Titus 4740

Hectic(1)

: Carcalilly 4958

Titus(1)

: Hopkirk 4880

Aaron(1)

: Eevee 4857

Not voting(2): Pine, Texcat

[davesaz]

@Garmr
The problem I'm still having is why you'd voyeur a mason at all.
Voyeur is a non-specific rolecop. If you want to know what roles exist in a game, you target people who you expect to be targeted.
Detecting that a kill exists is useless, and that's the only thing other than a doc who expects to target a mason.

Town

detecting a doc is useless. As town you don't need to know about the existence of one.

I think you have claimed your targets, but I saw pretty big gaps in reasoning on why you'd target them.

I would still put Garmr near the end. I see the overall balance as being at least kinda town motivated.

[Titus]

Isn't the mason ascetic? How could Garmr save the mason?

Anyway, I have to go VLA and I'm not getting Gamr so...

VOTE: Pine

VLA to Tuesday

[davesaz]

Looks like we have a volunteer for tomorrow, if there is one.

[Billy Pilgrim]

This is complete bullshit. Kop/Pine, texcat, and Titus have all dragged into another day without having to claim. Titus gets lynched tomorrow, and I need a claim from tex like yesterday.

[EeveeLution Army]

Pine is dead

[EeveeLution Army]

But for some reason i suspect hes town. Idk why

[Hopkirk]

Literally even if you had a guilty there you absolutely should not have hammered without the claim there. No matter what he flips there's no way we lynch anyway except Titus tomorrow and I don't believe any pr claims that come after this day.

One hasn't quite been dragged into another day without claiming Billy.

[Hopkirk]

I expect pine to flip scum ~7 pp-80% and Titus to also flip scum.

[AaronFrost]

Yeah Titus is definitely scum. I only voted Pine to try and get him to actually play, but I didn't expect him to be wagoned that quickly.

[Hopkirk]

If Garmr is town scum don't have a backup watcher.

[Hopkirk]

If he's scum I mean.

[Hopkirk]

Any scenario that involves scum doing tracky stuff around carcalilly that hectic suggested earlier doesn't match with Garmr still claiming the result on carca. Scum tracky stuff would have had a no result if he/they actually targeted her and wouldn't have made the claim. Wouldn't make sense to claim if they actually had results.

[Garmr]

titus is scum flipping poe Pine should hopefully scum flip and tex cat should scum flip.

[Garmr]

@Garmr
The problem I'm still having is why you'd voyeur a mason at all.
Voyeur is a non-specific rolecop. If you want to know what roles exist in a game, you target people who you expect to be targeted.
Detecting that a kill exists is useless, and that's the only thing other than a doc who expects to target a mason.

Town

detecting a doc is useless. As town you don't need to know about the existence of one.

I think you have claimed your targets, but I saw pretty big gaps in reasoning on why you'd target them.

I would still put Garmr near the end. I see the overall balance as being at least kinda town motivated.

You are think small scum could have a watcher as well. Just cause town flipped one doesn't mean scum don't either.