Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[skitter30]

Yeah I'm deff seeing in Aaron what Luca was seeing now

i actually don't see what luca is seeing in the past couple of pages, can you elaborate please?

[skitter30]

I don't feel nearly as confident in a nom wagon than I do a Flub wagon considering if Frost flips scum that kinda clears nom. I don't think his play has improved that much today. Flub's posting hasn't really pulled me in any certain direction. I suppose I don't mind the wagon, but I'm not gonna add to it at the moment. I wanna talk about fetch considering he was one of my early trs.

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this is also p awful
are you like scumreading frost rn?

[skitter30]

VOTE: AaronFrost

why'd you pick aaron over nom?

[skitter30]

I still reckon the Billy flip means nothing for reads on Xayah fwiw.
@suji: same diff.

how so?

[Kerset]

So basically you were only going to take Rb’s reads into account if they were convenient for you, otherwise they’re irrelevant.

i think this is a remarkably uncharitable way to understand aaron's post, i don't think this is what he was saying at all

pedit no. weren't you on the nom wagon? plz get back on it, ty

We still got 6 days left, why do you mind about it?

[skitter30]

i *think* you're asking me why i'm objecting to your vote?

i think ss is prob town and there's like 4 people i'd rather wagon before him

[Kerset]

Nope. I wonder why do you need luca on established wagon, rather then letting him push more people for info.

[skitter30]

sorry, i'm not sure i understand what you're asking then

[Kerset]

pedit no. weren't you on the nom wagon? plz get back on it, ty

Why did you ask Luca to get back on nom wagon.

[skitter30]

... i was talking to you

i thought you were on the nom and switching to ss, so i was telling you to get back on

[Kerset]

Och ok. Well i would join noms wagon but i don't believe that pushing her further will develop anything new. Also i wouldn't vote her just for sake of lynch, when xaya and PMyst are still about to catch up.

[Something_Smart]

At the end of D1 the only thing that he talked about was Billy.

This is the only thing anyone wanted to ask me about.

I was the first person to actually case Billy (iirc). Why would I do that and then drop off just when the wagon started to get serious?

[TheWizard]

nomnomnom (4):

AaronFrost, skitter30, Wooper, Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget (3):

Sirfetchd, nomnomnom, Luca Blight

AaronFrost (2):

Something_Smart, Sujimichi

Something_Smart (1):

Kerset

Not Voting (2):

Xayah, PMysterious

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 06:43:00)

[Wooper]

At the end of D1 the only thing that he talked about was Billy.

This is the only thing anyone wanted to ask me about.

I was the first person to actually case Billy (iirc). Why would I do that and then drop off just when the wagon started to get serious?

This would be like classic scum distancing - generate a read which seems unaligned but get off when there's a chance of the lynch actually going through

I don't really scumread you ftr this just had me a bit ??

[Luca Blight]

At the end of D1 the only thing that he talked about was Billy.

This is the only thing anyone wanted to ask me about.

I was the first person to actually case Billy (iirc). Why would I do that and then drop off just when the wagon started to get serious?

Haven’t had time to check back yet, but I thought you were just the first to vote Billy even though you didn’t scumread him? I was the one who cased/pushed Billy and I believe you became more interested as a result of that.

[Sirfetchd]

This post is mostly ignorable. It's where I go I'm too lazy to make a word doc or actually write down my thoughts before I forget them and more if this game slips away from my brain.

Ok imma do a thought dump bc I am getting no where with motivation to read people and I pump time in. May just be the weekend or housework or whatever but eh, need an injection of something.

Billy flipped scum, cool, relationals tell us jack shit because of the way the wagoned formed and went through. Tipping point vote was skitter, Xayah was the compromise until then. So skit is like 80% town as much as I hate this posting style from her.

Everyone else is still up in the air because of virtue of weak slot compromise lynch. I tinfoil hat theory see Billy, Xayah, skit scum team ngl. Because if that is the scum team that is some serious do what we can with shithouse cards.

Ok back on the actual shit we have. Still scumread Xayah. Have no read on half the playerlist which is eh. Townreads on a few slots so going to guess I personally need a lynch in my unsorted that revolves around someone I have read up on. I think given the successful day 1 lynch we can afford a policy-ish lynch or at least to promote certain play from some slots. Most of what makes me keen on flubb push. Would not object to pressure on PM/Suji/Kerset slots.

I think my main issue with the nom wagon is that it doesn't make a heap of sense for today. Like sure, I get there's a solid line where nom is relationally scummy, but it feels like if it right sweet that is awesome, but if it is wrong, there is a very real issue with stagnation and zero game solve comes out of it. I think there's no concrete relationals outside skit, so that means you gotta make some.

So yeah, I think we hit today like a day 1, but with a pseudo IC, and a townsided setup.

Alright, talked myself around. Happy with where I am, happy to wagon anyone on my I haven't read list.

tl;dr

nom is day 3/4 lynch, swing around votes and get multiple wagons going throughout the day bc I said so bc I am lazy.

[Luca Blight]

So basically you were only going to take Rb’s reads into account if they were convenient for you, otherwise they’re irrelevant.

i think this is a remarkably uncharitable way to understand aaron's post, i don't think this is what he was saying at all

pedit no. weren't you on the nom wagon? plz get back on it, ty

I know it wasn’t what he said, as I explained already - but it was his mindset based on his progression. Frost was supposedly interested in rb’s reads until it turned out he was townreading Nom, at which point Frost disregarded them.

[Luca Blight]

Fetchd’s performance in this game reminds me of many games I’ve seen where a scum player does just enough to make himself townier than a pile of low activity posters to get the benefit of the doubt and ultimately win the game. I don’t want to lynch him today as he’s obviously a strong pr but I just wanted to put this on the record. Nothing about his actual play is making me think he is Town, only process of elimination is in his favour given the number of scumreads I currently have (which goes back to my original point).

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Nom

Out of my three main scumreads, you’re the one I’m expecting the most from and I’m not getting it atm.

[Something_Smart]

This would be like classic scum distancing - generate a read which seems unaligned but get off when there's a chance of the lynch actually going through

That's not classic scum distancing, that's stupid scum distancing... when I bus, I commit to it.

[AaronFrost]

So basically you were only going to take Rb’s reads into account if they were convenient for you, otherwise they’re irrelevant.

i think this is a remarkably uncharitable way to understand aaron's post, i don't think this is what he was saying at all

pedit no. weren't you on the nom wagon? plz get back on it, ty

I know it wasn’t what he said, as I explained already - but it was his mindset based on his progression. Frost was supposedly interested in rb’s reads until it turned out he was townreading Nom, at which point Frost disregarded them.

I only disregarded that possibility when Flubb pointed out that rb was high up on the draft list, then it clicked that that why probably why rb was killed. It had nothing to do with rb's reads being convenient for me or not.

[AaronFrost]

I think my main issue with the nom wagon is that it doesn't make a heap of sense for today. Like sure, I get there's a solid line where nom is relationally scummy, but it feels like if it right sweet that is awesome, but if it is wrong, there is a very real issue with stagnation and zero game solve comes out of it. I think there's no concrete relationals outside skit, so that means you gotta make some.

tl;dr

nom is day 3/4 lynch, swing around votes and get multiple wagons going throughout the day bc I said so bc I am lazy.

This is bad reason for not lynching nom today. First of all, I can't even wrap my head around the fact that you wouldn't be willing to lynch somebody you find scummy. Second, that last statement is objectively false since nom's been pushed pretty aggressively today and if she flips town, then either the ones pushing her, or the ones who hopped on when the wagon got going are good lynch candidates for Day 3. I could see that logic being true if we had lynched town yesterday, but we didn't.

Who would you suggest lynching?

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Nom

Out of my three main scumreads, you’re the one I’m expecting the most from and I’m not getting it atm.

I guess when I flip you'll understand that someone's activity has nothing to do with their alignment.

[Kerset]

At the end of D1 the only thing that he talked about was Billy.

This is the only thing anyone wanted to ask me about.

I was the first person to actually case Billy (iirc). Why would I do that and then drop off just when the wagon started to get serious?

To gain town points for worst case scenario but not hurting partner too much.
I am more interested why did you vote aaron?

[Something_Smart]

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