Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Menalque]

Hey creature, enter, can u help us to lynch scum pls?

Can't, I have something in 30 mins

I mean that’s groovy could u put a vote on amrun in the meantime

[Menalque]

Vote: Rautherdir

Soul read.

Can I offer u an amrun lynch instead

[Rautherdir]

Spoiler: 3 post Scumread on Rauth

Okay then...
The governor shot has an advantage that Bingle didn't bring up earlier.
It gives reads. The whole process of voting for the governor shot, and then later how the person with the shot uses it, generates reads. And I believe that offsets the mechanical disadvantages of the shot.

Having said that, at this stage in the game there's only one role that could effectively use governor in this situation that can get away with claiming right now. And that would still be heavily ill-advised due to the presence of a cult. So if we do give someone the governor shot, we probably won't be doing it for mechanical reasons. And since we haven't had enough time to form good reads yet, the next strategy we could use to give the shot is to give it to someone who can be read somewhat easily to see how and if they use it in the first few days.

So I'm going to VOTE: Creature (I could be convinced into voting for DEB as well.)

I mean, DEB seemed pretty easy to read in my last game. (Then again, he got confed day 2 so... my perception might be inaccurate)
And it has been a while since I played with Creature, so if they're no longer an easy read I guess I'll just UNVOTE: and see what other people think of my strat.

Everyone who posted earlier than me is slightly suspect.

Any logic to this?

I got my PM, said "oh hey, this will be fun when it starts" and then left it to chkflip to tell me when it started because I had nothing to do, no reason to engage with the game.

On the other hand, someone who gets a scum PM has a scum PT and is engaged with the game and waiting for it to start and thus noticed when the nonsense begins. Obviously plenty of people will see it in the Large Theme list and what not, but all equal, anyone who posted before chkflip deigned to tell us the game started gets a mild mark against them.

Or, you know, had the sign-up thread bookmarked and noticed the title for the sign-up thread had changed to say the game was now up. That's also possible.

And I disagree that the cult recruiting the governor shot is an issue, I guess it should be clear that that slot probably won't survive very long. (And since it has a high probability of becoming cult then scum would probably shoot the slot at some point.)
To be clear whoever gets the governor shot is the day 5 lynch if they last that long and cult isn't already accounted for. (Exact day adjustable depending on the number of night kills we end up having at night and whether or not there's an early cult leader death. But yeah, as zoraster said, this is a 40 player game. We can afford a one-shot governor, especially if it allows us to create reads and start discussion before getting into day 1. Suggesting otherwise isn't necessarily alignment indicative considering that it's probably the mechanically correct choice, but I don't think it's the correct choice with all things considered.)

First of all, there's so much waffle in these posts I thought I'd walked into a Denny's. Second, he rambles on about explaining exactly why he's doing what he's doing, which makes me think he's very concerned about how people see him and not too concerned about how he sees other people. He's doing this for reads, apparently, but when I've repeatedly asked for people to explain how the existence of a governor gives reads he's been silent. (And yes, this conversation has given the opportunity to read people, but no more than a normal D1 would. And it's certainly caused a lot more thread apathy because of people sitting on their hands doing nothing waiting for the real game to start.)

As soon as he receives pushback on the idea, he drops it with a "I guess I can see what people think of my idea." Unvoting at L-20. Which shows a real commitment to using it as a mechanic to scumhunt.

Further, as soon as zor comes in with a similar sentiment, he jumps right back into the same thing, but the tone isn't "I believe this thing" but rather "Look, someone else believes this thing! I'm not SCUMMY!" And even still, while blatantly hiding behind zor's agreement, he feels the need to defend himself from zor's thought that people who joined the thread early were more likely to be scum.

tl;dr, quickhammer no governor so we can lynch this.

A: Your first point makes no sense. If I was concerned about how people would see me I would have just voted no gov. But instead I took a position I could never actually justify, just so that conversation about it could be spurred.

B: That was specifically regarding voting Creature for governor.

C: Try 'Please stop scum-reading this person who believes a similar thing.' And the first part of that third post was just me refuting that stance because it isn't exactly a solid argument. You know, interacting with people, helping them see the flaws in their logic.

[Menalque]

Well, I haven’t really read much since my last post, so... yeah. I have read the posts made since day started though
I suppose I should clarify that before I posted the discussion so far was ‘Let’s get rid of the no gov shot as quickly as possible’ and it would be easy for scum to slip under the radar. Bingle immediately stifled any discussion on that matter, and from what I have read is still espousing misinformation regarding, for example, the Cult Q&A; and is using it to make reads on players. This is not a good trait for someone who is also trying to control the town.
VOTE: Bingle

Would u be willing to vote for scum instead pls, aka amrun

[Menalque]

Why don’t you both compromise on each other by voting for amrun @rauth @bingle

[EspressoPatronum]

[...]

Firebringer I actually think is scum.

Have you made a case?

In my opinion, yes. You can ISO me. I think he slipped and spoke from a place of knowledge that BBmolla is town. Others didn’t see it the same way, and it’s certainly not bulletproof, but I have seen nothing more lynchworthy yet.

I agree that his posting style looks a bit scummy, but I think it's just his playstyle. I've played with town Firebringer before + he seems to be the same this game.

If you're interested:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11069215

[Rautherdir]

I mean sure? I don't really see why Amrun is obv scum though but I'm not necessarily opposed to the wagon.

VOTE: Amrun

Lots of posturing and trying to look like she’s doing something without really doing much of anything

Quite a lot of empty posting in her ISO

Hmm, not sure I agree with this. Then again I only skimmed Amrun's iso. I would probably place her in the 'can sort later' bucket, not the 'lynch now' bucket.

[Nero Cain]

What are your other reads, Rautherdir?

[Rautherdir]

^ Town can do empty posting indefinitely. I now have personal experience that it's much more difficult to keep up as scum. Sort method could be as simple as 'see if she can keep it up'

[Rautherdir]

Creature is being town!Creature from what I remember of him. I really don't like the push on him. At least people are being honest about their intention's with the push on Creature though.

[Rautherdir]

Menal is... interesting. He took the unpopular and very attention-getting action of voting himself for governor and did it quite seriously. I see Menal as being less likely to be group-scum right now, but maybe 3p or cult leader.

[Menalque]

@rauth could u look again specifically from 2353 to 2516 bc that isn’t town

[Menalque]

Menal is... interesting. He took the unpopular and very attention-getting action of voting himself for governor and did it quite seriously. I see Menal as being less likely to be group-scum right now, but maybe 3p or cult leader.

Err excuse u I was the most popular vote before FF took away our democratic rights

[Menalque]

EP, i can’t remember if you’re already voting for scum but if you’re not could u please do that by typing

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[vote]amrun[/vote]

Into a post and then submitting it ty

[Menalque]

Nero I know u don’t particularly love me rn (de that will change probably) but could u do me a solid and vote scum in the meantime

[EspressoPatronum]

EP, i can’t remember if you’re already voting for scum but if you’re not could u please do that by typing

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[vote]amrun[/vote]

Into a post and then submitting it ty

I'll check our Amrun's ISO first.

[Rautherdir]

Okay, parts of that definitely aren't great. They aren't lynch-worthy either though.

Also, specifically starting it with 2353 when I had just made 2652? Really?

Honestly what annoys me most about Amrun's ISO is that it's hard to tell what or who she's talking about sometimes. But I'm not sure that's something scum would risk.

[EspressoPatronum]

Menal is... interesting. He took the unpopular and very attention-getting action of voting himself for governor and did it quite seriously. I see Menal as being less likely to be group-scum right now, but maybe 3p or cult leader.

Cult leaders usually try to blend in and stay low key. Running for gov would attract too much attention for a CL.

[Menalque]

Dude, it’s still a bad post your issues with jingle aside

She’s repeatedly indicating her willingness to get onboard with people she thinks would be viable but not meaningfully pushing her own SR

[Rautherdir]

Menal is... interesting. He took the unpopular and very attention-getting action of voting himself for governor and did it quite seriously. I see Menal as being less likely to be group-scum right now, but maybe 3p or cult leader.

Err excuse u I was the most popular vote before FF took away our democratic rights

Voting someone for governor wasn't a popular opinion at the time you did it.

p-edit:
So, was Amrun saying she was willing to kill me in that post, or willing to kill Bingle?

[davesaz]

Caught up, amrun is scum, ali is prob town on top of other people I listed

FL, PB also prob scum but would much rather lynch amrun first

We take opposite meaning from the same amrun posts.

[Menalque]

Menal is... interesting. He took the unpopular and very attention-getting action of voting himself for governor and did it quite seriously. I see Menal as being less likely to be group-scum right now, but maybe 3p or cult leader.

Cult leaders usually try to blend in and stay low key. Running for gov would attract too much attention for a CL.

Or would it

[Amrun]

I mean sure? I don't really see why Amrun is obv scum though but I'm not necessarily opposed to the wagon.

VOTE: Amrun

Lots of posturing and trying to look like she’s doing something without really doing much of anything

Quite a lot of empty posting in her ISO

Fb push is v bad and reads as scum going after someone they think is a viable mislynch

Is the gist of it

Also, noice

Empty posting?! EMPTY posting?! From the person whose FIRST thing of substance has been THIS exact post? Countless number of stupid politics posts? I don’t have any empty posts except complaining about shitposting from people like you.

That’s so ridiculous it actually pisses me off.

Despite the fact that this push is moronic and devoid of any reasoning that makes ANY sense, I actually like it from you since I’m not low hanging fruit. It makes me think you are not scum. I think it will attract some scum sheep, too, so it’s fine. Stupid, but fine. It will generate information whatever the outcome.

Full admission (and have never pretended otherwise) that my “case” on Firebringer could be play style related, but there’s a fairly large number of other people that would be significantly easier to get lynched if that were my goal. That is one of the weakest arguments I’ve ever seen

P-edit: Rauth, I was pretty clearly stating that Bingle’s case against you had merit. That doesn’t necessarily mean I’m willing to lynch you at this juncture.

[davesaz]

I haven't studied shit for today ^_^

If you look closely the brown varies from day to day.
Try to make your posts a little less brown.

[Menalque]

Menal is... interesting. He took the unpopular and very attention-getting action of voting himself for governor and did it quite seriously. I see Menal as being less likely to be group-scum right now, but maybe 3p or cult leader.

Err excuse u I was the most popular vote before FF took away our democratic rights

Voting someone for governor wasn't a popular opinion at the time you did it.

p-edit:
So, was Amrun saying she was willing to kill me in that post, or willing to kill Bingle?

That’s my point, it doesn’t matter

It’s a weak limp on regardless