Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[RCEnigma]

Town:
Nero
Creature
Gamma
Jingle

Idk maybe Dave, but I don't like his pushing on Menalque over amrun.
Specifically that Menalque should focus on things other than his scumread and read the other 30 some odd players.

Because tbh I'm not even going to read what like 20 of the players post at all. If it's not happening real-time it's really easy to get lost in the playerlist.

Guess that means I'm cool with Menalque for today too.

Amrun is on the scum side of null, the attack on FB was weird and the responses didn't do much to make me think it was just town basing a read on iffy logic.

If I told you I had a true scumread on anyone I'd be lying but pick a name out of a hat and I'm probably ok with them being the lynch.

Not wooper though, I want to see what's going on there with jingle.

[davesaz]

I despise pushy people. If I go to the store and a salesperson follows me around, I'll go to a different store.
Menalque is a salesperson in a game where the best way to win is to let people think and make up their own minds.

I mean if u wanna towncase amrun go for it

2559, 2569, 2672 all show town motivation to me.

Where am I not letting people make up their own minds

Continuing to say it over and over is pressure. That's my final answer.

[Donempire]

I mean sure? I don't really see why Amrun is obv scum though but I'm not necessarily opposed to the wagon.

VOTE: Amrun

Lots of posturing and trying to look like she’s doing something without really doing much of anything

Quite a lot of empty posting in her ISO

Fb push is v bad and reads as scum going after someone they think is a viable mislynch

Is the gist of it

Also, noice

Empty posting?! EMPTY posting?! From the person whose FIRST thing of substance has been THIS exact post? Countless number of stupid politics posts? I don’t have any empty posts except complaining about shitposting from people like you.

That’s so ridiculous it actually pisses me off.

Despite the fact that this push is moronic and devoid of any reasoning that makes ANY sense, I actually like it from you since I’m not low hanging fruit. It makes me think you are not scum. I think it will attract some scum sheep, too, so it’s fine. Stupid, but fine. It will generate information whatever the outcome.

Full admission (and have never pretended otherwise) that my “case” on Firebringer could be play style related, but there’s a fairly large number of other people that would be significantly easier to get lynched if that were my goal. That is one of the weakest arguments I’ve ever seen

P-edit: Rauth, I was pretty clearly stating that Bingle’s case against you had merit. That doesn’t necessarily mean I’m willing to lynch you at this juncture.

It took you 5 paraghraps to wrote "no u"

Damn, who knew it would take being the same alignment for me to agree with menal

[RCEnigma]

He said the mod said something about there being a cult Q&A on D1 start, which is apparently untrue, ig.

In your face.

You realize my scumread is mostly predicated upon you having that knowledge and it not being publicly available, right? Where did you learn about it?

It's in my iso I answered like twice now. I asked about some role stuff in relation to cult. The answer I got was that my question would be answered in a cult Q&A in the day 1 opening post.

[EspressoPatronum]

Smh why r people trying to lurker hunt

Because in big games like this, you find yourself getting close to lylo and all you have are a bunch of null-read lurkers.

[davesaz]

Idk maybe Dave, but I don't like his pushing on Menalque over amrun.
Specifically that Menalque should focus on things other than his scumread and read the other 30 some odd players.

I'm being very specific in saying that I don't like people to break out the megaphone and yell "vote x" in every post, or most posts.
It reminds me too much of RC lynching townie after townie on something that boils down to "trust me I'm right".
Talk about other things.

[chennisden]

AMRUN IS OBVSCUM IF U DONT VOTE THERE UR A SHIT PLAYER AND NEED TO QUIT THE GAME

[Donempire]

No one should be looking at the "30 odd players", no one has the time, we agree on someone until we can wittle them down to a managable state

[Donempire]

Smh why r people trying to lurker hunt

Because in big games like this, you find yourself getting close to lylo and all you have are a bunch of null-read lurkers.

Who gives a rats ass?

[Nero Cain]

I'd lynch so many players b4 Amrun

Like....?

wooper, maybe Gamma, maybe Bingle, Icon, Vorkuta, maybe Elements, maybe Cephir. Creature.

and there's a ton of lurkers I'd be down to lynch if they don't start participating.

[Menalque]

EP, i can’t remember if you’re already voting for scum but if you’re not could u please do that by typing

Code: Select all

[vote]amrun[/vote]

Into a post and then submitting it ty

I'll check our Amrun's ISO first.

Okay I will look forward to your imminent amrun vote once you’re back

Amrun's first post is a red flag + I think she could be scum because of it. My first instinct as scum is to contribute and feign proactivity asap, and scum!me has actually done a shotgun readslist like that before. If Amrun is scum, it's very likely she wanted to start off strong... but the reasoning behind the reads is too hollow imo.

However, I don't think we should lynch her today for 3 reasons.
1. I don't think her first post or the posts you listed make a slam-dunk scum case.
2. I liked Amrun's reaction to your push. it conveyed a bit too much outrage for my liking, but I liked the substance.
3. Amrun has been very active.

In light of the above - especially #3 - I think we should aim our lynch at the bottom of the post counts. I've played several large mafia games off-site + lurkers always pose a significant threat to town. On the one hand, lurker scum can play under the radar for a long time. On the other hand, lurker town give their fellow townies few opportunities to generate reads on them, leaving the lurker townies as lylo threats in the endgame. Not only do lurkers pose a double threat to town, it's also worth noting that scum rarely kill lurkers. As a result, lurkers make it a lot further than they should, despite minimal contribution.

Don’t think town needs to shade the push like amrun does and I don’t think feels the need to respond so vigorously/quickly. Also don’t really like the progression on my slot that me pushing a bad case on her when she was already sceptical of me equals reasons for me to be town fhpov.

What did you like about the content of the response and what about that content makes it town!indicative > NAI?

Also, do u really think we’re ever gonna have a slamdunk case D1? Cause I think that’s unlikely so we should always be voting based on who’s got good odds which is what you seem to think of amrun

Finally, lurker hunting is a bad idea. Easy for scum to avoid responsibility for, plus hard lurkers will be easier to read later based on VCA and they will have comparatively more content on later days than D1 as they’ll have had to meet activity requirements to stay in game. Lurkers are (1) super LHF and (2) far less likely to be identifiable as scum on D1

Highly doubt that all active players are town, so I’d rather scumhunt there

[EspressoPatronum]

Smh why r people trying to lurker hunt

Because in big games like this, you find yourself getting close to lylo and all you have are a bunch of null-read lurkers.

Who gives a rats ass?

I'm saying you should, and I'm also saying you should consider voting for a lurker.

[Donempire]

How do you plan to get a 21 player consensus on a random lurker? Especially with on average 10 lurkers?

We just play with who is playing now and we'll figure out the lurkers once we know who actually is lurking.

[davesaz]

While I don't like Menalque's delivery, this

might

be town. If it's for the reason I think it is.

I specifically dislike the method.
I also feel the target of that method is the wrong target. We do however need a big wagon or six.

[Donempire]

That was to post 2734 but it works as a response to you as well, espresso

You wont ever reach a consensus on a lurker lynch, so lets just create two wagons and duke it out until we dont have to

[chennisden]

I despise pushy people. If I go to the store and a salesperson follows me around, I'll go to a different store.
Menalque is a salesperson in a game where the best way to win is to let people think and make up their own minds.

I mean if u wanna towncase amrun go for it

2559, 2569, 2672 all show town motivation to me.

Where am I not letting people make up their own minds

Continuing to say it over and over is pressure. That's my final answer.

I disagree that any of those posts are towny.

[Menalque]

I'd lynch so many players b4 Amrun

Like....?

Doctor Drew
Untrod Tripod
The Fonz
Pine
Virgo the Immaculate
Jadesmar
Alisae
Rick Dalton

Dude you know that ali is 711 and Rick is FL right?

[RCEnigma]

Idk maybe Dave, but I don't like his pushing on Menalque over amrun.
Specifically that Menalque should focus on things other than his scumread and read the other 30 some odd players.

I'm being very specific in saying that I don't like people to break out the megaphone and yell "vote x" in every post, or most posts.
It reminds me too much of RC lynching townie after townie on something that boils down to "trust me I'm right".
Talk about other things.

Like... Fair, RC ruins a lot of things for a lot of people.

But Menalque is putting forth the effort to get his point across on why his read is the way it is and what Amruns done to influence that. Which is good content.

It would be different if he was just telling everyone to vote X because X is scum and if you don't it's because you're scum. Or something like that.

[chennisden]

How do you plan to get a 21 player consensus on a random lurker? Especially with on average 10 lurkers?

We just play with who is playing now and we'll figure out the lurkers once we know who actually is lurking.

^^

[Menalque]

How do you plan to get a 21 player consensus on a random lurker? Especially with on average 10 lurkers?

We just play with who is playing now and we'll figure out the lurkers once we know who actually is lurking.

That was to post 2734 but it works as a response to you as well, espresso

You wont ever reach a consensus on a lurker lynch, so lets just create two wagons and duke it out until we dont have to

This is goodposting

[RCEnigma]

I'd lynch so many players b4 Amrun

Like....?

Doctor Drew
Untrod Tripod
The Fonz
Pine
Virgo the Immaculate
Jadesmar
Alisae
Rick Dalton

Dude you know that ali is 711 and Rick is FL right?

Alright EP can be town lol.

[Menalque]

Dong should I be worried that when I was scum I actually did think your posting was badposting and that this seems different to that?

[Cephrir]

Well, I haven’t really read much since my last post, so... yeah. I have read the posts made since day started though
I suppose I should clarify that before I posted the discussion so far was ‘Let’s get rid of the no gov shot as quickly as possible’ and it would be easy for scum to slip under the radar. Bingle immediately stifled any discussion on that matter, and from what I have read is still espousing misinformation regarding, for example, the Cult Q&A; and is using it to make reads on players. This is not a good trait for someone who is also trying to control the town.
VOTE: Bingle

Make that two suspects, I thought, as I watched a shady character slip, thinking himself unnoticed, into the building I'd identified as a headquarters for the criminal enterprise. Always paid off to have a few contacts who'd let me use their places as a lookout post. No one checks the windows.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oof, I'm like 40 pages behind. Anyone able to do a recap post of important information? Imma skim through it all, but I'm bound to miss something.

it's mostly trolling. ISO me for what I feel is whats mostly relevant.

Bless. Thanks, Nero!

Lmfao don’t do that

y not?

Off the top of my head: A lot of governor noise, Amrun shotgun reads list and reactions, PB assertion that posting >rand town, WooperNOTcult, some claims, and my claim instructions.

I mean my ISO also chimes in on the gov thing, I don't think the Amrun or PB things are important at all. The woopernotcult thing is dumb. There's been like 2 claims.

What do you feel like is a good recap?

Because your ISO doesn’t cover the breadth of what has been happening very well at all
You seem focused on like one or two things currently

[davesaz]

Before you ask, yes I want a wagon but I don't have time right now to push something. (nor the personality type to push but that's a different thing)