Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Lady 5]

And that's fine

If G5 is town I won't let our pairing anywhere near endgame

But just shut up about it for now because it's against town wincon and very pro scum wincon.

It’s pro scum to help solve? :/

[Lady 5]

Or what exactly did you believe me to be doing?

[Gentleman 6]

It's pro scum to tell scum that if we're T-T killing her is a bad idea. I don't want to be removed before intermission. I have strong townread pairings that ameliorate my need to go to endgame. You don't need to worry about L8 as an endgame threat. I think I do need to worry about G5 as an endgame threat given how deftly scum shifted the narrative and convinced everyone that L8 being scummy (true or not) discredits my scumread on G5. No one is really discussing G5 being scum, everyone is discussing L8 being scum.

I think L5 should be left out. L1 and L2 have made way more cleanly town indicative posts at this point. I'm not like convinced that L5 is flipping scum but I don't want to see either L1 of L2 dead.

[Gentleman 6]

Or what exactly did you believe me to be doing?

I'm concerned that you're scum with G5 and have been since a very long time ago tbh. Also weren't you the one who said it's literally playing against scum wincondition to S-S pair but now you're saying that I paired with L8 when I literally could have picked any girl?

[Gentleman 6]

I feel like if you're town you're the kind of player who says literally whatever you need to say to push whatever your present reads are even if it contradicts your broader principles and then you get scumread for it. And then eventually meta started to protect you when you kept getting mislynched for bad play, and so you eventually got insulated from the fact that your play ought to have consequences. Make no mistake your play this game has been something else, you've broken site rules repeatedly in two different ways and you've just been kind of like this artistic statement this entire game.

[Gentleman 7]

Yeah like

I'm not... spectacularly sure on L7. She's playing a very scum motivated game. Is it possible that she's town being weird? Sure I guess.

But gentleman 5 is mafia

Tbh, I've barely been keeping up with this game for the last couple of days, so I'm kind of bothered that the people I was liking are scumreading each other...like, is there a world where L7, G6, and G5 are all town? Because I feel like there could be, but most of my thoughts aren't really coherent from after Thursday. I'm more bothered by the fact that L9 has pretty much vanished. I assume there's no PT for partners yet, since I don't have mine.

But as for L7, why wouldn't she have accepted your invite if she was mafia?

Also, for G5, could someone please tell me if he was replaced or just changed his avatar? Because I was liking him back with his first one, then I sort of just put him to the side and didn't really focus on him but now he's controversial.

There are only two possible circumstances I can see where Lady 7 takes Gentleman 7 as a partner (if she's scum) over Gentleman 8. The first is that she is buddies with Gentleman 8, and the second is that her partner(s) already have matches or are gentlemen.

Agreed. I also think that if G8 was scum, he wouldn't go and ask L7 if she was also scum in that situation.

There are only two possible circumstances I can see where Lady 7 takes Gentleman 7 as a partner (if she's scum) over Gentleman 8. The first is that she is buddies with Gentleman 8, and the second is that her partner(s) already have matches or are gentlemen.

Well there’s a third possibility.
Gent 7 is their scum buddy and they want to form a SvS.
But the other 2 possibles are more possible.

I GTG do something. BRB.

Why would I pair up with L7 in that case over putting her with G3? I'm pretty out of this game and likely an early lynch. I don't see how pairing with her would do anything except make 2 scum die instead of 1 in this scenario.

G7/L7 - I'll be honest I was kind of hoping to be asked by G7 but water under the bridge. L7 I still read as Town. This is the only pairing where I'm hoping for the Lady to help read her partner for the game, buuuuut I'll admit I lean Town on G7 at the moment as well. Which is great! It kind of mitigates my disappointment, I hope the two of them do indeed find they dance well together.

Yeah, sorry about that.

I am furthermore concerned the distraction of G6 vs g5 is going to sidetrack us and allow slots like g8 to randomly endgame without doing anything. Especially if we all selfdestructed immediately. Even if you are right and g5 is scum, that really leaves town without a rudder and I do not have faith they could pull the rest out.

I agree with this (well, not the last part), and slowing down would also help me understand things a lot better.

To be honest, I don't really think that you'll get that opportunity for very long, if anything, since you're the IC. As for your pairings, I would kind of prefer to switch myself-L3 with G4-L1. I'm under the impression L1 is a mechanical player and I'm not quite feeling that that's a good blend with G4 (Okay, mostly it's that I'm also a mechanical player and think I'll do well with L1). Also kinda meh on G1-L2 because I'm liking G1 and not liking L2 as much. I don't really know how to swap things around, though. And then there's the next point, see below.

Why did you not like G1 and L2 at this point in the game?

I was kind of liking G1 back then, I think you misunderstood that. As for L2, it was because I like talking about mechanics and making optimal play, and I kind of feel like she was getting in the way. I also didn't really agree with her opinions on some people back then but I've changed my mind on that.

Guys.

This discussion has been going on for the better part of at least 30 pages. It's dominating the discussion. It's a distraction, and we're in predance, which means there's literally nothing we can do about it. And with all back and forth, paranoid theories and lack of cohesion, nobody's even going to listen if one of you are right.

So please can the group of g5/g6/l8 stop taiking about each other? Collect the stuff you want to say, wait for predance to be over, discuss it with your partner, and then once dance actually begins present your thoughts after the thread has had time to calm down.

Even if one of you is right about one in that group, there's still 2 other scum to catch. And if you're not right, you'l ve just allowed a big huge distraction for them to hide behind and make themselves look good by either ignoring it or jumping in.

I completely understand the desire to get your point out I really do, but step back for a little, please.

^^yes.

[Gentleman 6]

Like you guys are saying G5s been discussed to death but afaik no one besides me scumreads him still. Everyone is sitting here talking about how L8 is scum and L7 is calling that more productive discussion. It's not really a question if what's protown it's whether you guys agree with what's being discussed, and since no one agrees that G5 is scum trying to call him scum is getting pooh-poohed whereas the L8 is scum circlejerk which is for really questionable reasons even if she is scum is a universal read (who are her buddies exactly? Why aren't they trying to buoy up her slot if she's paired with obvtown) and no one stops to ask themselves what that says about what scum are doing in the game. Whereas if I'm right and G5 is scum it makes complete sense scum are trying to support the L8 scum narrative and shut down discussion of G5 since it can be reasonably assumed that after I'm dead no one scumreads G5 and he has a clean walk to endgame. Doesn't help no one engaged with my actual case on G5 and everyone engaged with reductive strawmen of my actual case.

What I'm saying is that I feel like you guys are thinking very one dimensionally about things and not really trying to understand how I feel or why I feel that way.

[Gentleman 6]

other...like, is there a world where L7, G6, and G5 are all town?

Wow another "hey maybe G5-G6 is TvT" hot take.

[Gentleman 6]

And by hot take I mean literally freezerburned.

[Gentleman 6]

Hey guys I have this totally innovative and original stance get this get this: maybe G5 and G6 are both town and L8 is scum? Dae? I'm so original xD uwu owo desu ne

[Gentleman 6]

Also people alt guessing me as RC when RC is literally in this game is incredibly amusing to me.

[Lady 7]

STOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOP

[Lady 8]

In what way?
I’ve been doing good once I was able to be active.

You've broken site rules lol.

[Lady 3]

Please play to the spirit of the game thanks

[Lady 8]

Also people alt guessing me as RC when RC is literally in this game is incredibly amusing to me.

Hi I know you're town but just shut up about this please.

[Lady 7]

What do you see that's problematic?

I think this type of things is typical? In every game I've been in that has a confirmation stage, which is what I'm taking this as, people get their reads in that stage and continue from there.

Is there something different that you're seeing?

It’s more problematic in this setup because it is lining up two deaths. I’ve already relegated myself to the fact that I am going to die if not preDance, than first dance unless G1 decides to be my knight in shining armor. I’m not sure I want him to be my savior, either. I do townread L2’s posts and I would much prefer that L2 does not die. But that comes necessarily at the cost of my own life.

This is all under the operating premise that G8 is scum, which even if he isn’t, he has to go because he’s simply unreadable at this point with how little content he has.

I agree that I don't want to see L2 die, but I guess I haven't been worrying about it because I figured L5 would be left out anyway.

As for the first bit, I don't really see how it's different. I do think that the two deaths issue means we have to be even more careful about our reads, but I don't understand why getting reads and scum reads in predance is more problematic. Maybe I'm not understanding where you're going with this though.

[Gentleman 3]

Also people alt guessing me as RC when RC is literally in this game is incredibly amusing to me.

Seriously what the hell

[Gentleman 3]

How hard is it to obey the rules of the damn game? They're not complicated or difficult rules!

[Gentleman 6]

I mean I wanted to pretend to be Dannflor but he got himself force replaced so I couldn't convincingly pretend to be him anymore. It was actually such a sad moment.

[Lady 8]

I mean I wanted to pretend to be Dannflor but he got himself force replaced so I couldn't convincingly pretend to be him anymore. It was actually such a sad moment.

[Lady 7]

Like you guys are saying G5s been discussed to death but afaik no one besides me scumreads him still. Everyone is sitting here talking about how L8 is scum and L7 is calling that more productive discussion. It's not really a question if what's protown it's whether you guys agree with what's being discussed, and since no one agrees that G5 is scum trying to call him scum is getting pooh-poohed whereas the L8 is scum circlejerk which is for really questionable reasons even if she is scum is a universal read (who are her buddies exactly? Why aren't they trying to buoy up her slot if she's paired with obvtown) and no one stops to ask themselves what that says about what scum are doing in the game. Whereas if I'm right and G5 is scum it makes complete sense scum are trying to support the L8 scum narrative and shut down discussion of G5 since it can be reasonably assumed that after I'm dead no one scumreads G5 and he has a clean walk to endgame. Doesn't help no one engaged with my actual case on G5 and everyone engaged with reductive strawmen of my actual case.

What I'm saying is that I feel like you guys are thinking very one dimensionally about things and not really trying to understand how I feel or why I feel that way.

No, I thought the discussion over L8's reaction and whether or not it was genuine was more interesting. I'd prefer all of it to drop.

And quite frankly I have been trying to figure out how you feel and why you feel that way. That's literally part of my scum hunting process, and I think I do understand where you're coming on g5, but there are a couple impediments here. You've thrown a similar theory at me earlier, which I know is wrong, and right or wrong when someone gives a paranoid reasoning that I know is wrong I'm going to take less seriously the paranoid theory on someone else for a similar reasoning. You might be right, hell I've been right for thinner reasoning than that before. And I can't even try to figure out if you're right when you're engaged in this protracted back and forth. I find them extremely difficult to read and if he is scum you're giving him something to do that is going to just shut the town off rather than force him to do other things that will be more readable.

[Gentleman 8]

Well then, this is disheartening.

I really do find it impossible to keep up with the pace you good people are producing.

At this stage, I will happily attend the dance with anyone who would also like not to be left by the wayside. I see Lady Luck has declined my invitation, so let us try again -

Lady 5, would you care to dance?

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not convinced that if you haven't read him as scum so far the solution is to not push him and you don't believe that either: you just don't want to lynch him and that's fine but be honest to yourself and me about it.

[Gentleman 6]

Why lady 5?

[Lady 7]

I'm not convinced that if you haven't read him as scum so far the solution is to not push him and you don't believe that either: you just don't want to lynch him and that's fine but be honest to yourself and me about it.

lol