Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Lady 5]

Ladies 2, 7, and 5 would you list the pairs in the game in order of most optimal to least optimal lynch, please?

@Lady 2, I do want to say that while I think Gentleman 8's scum flip would somewhat implicate you, I'm individually town reading you and I'd really prefer if that comment didn't prevent you from discussing things with me.

Optimal lynches:

G5/L4 barely ahead of G8/L5. I think both of these are high utility. G5/L4 bumped up in priority due to G6 kind of holding the game hostage to his scumread of G5, which I do mostly see and also I don't want G6 to suicide. I do think that there's a very reasonable chance one of G8/L5 are scum, almost certainly not both, probably G8 a bit more likely. I know and understand your evaluation of G8-scum's potential motivation to step in and ask L5 over me (or L1 but she has flipped) but if he is scum, that's not it because I'm Town. At this point I don't think there's much else for me to say on the subject. It's definitely a loss to the Town rn that L5 is alive and L1 is not.

Least optimal lynch is still quite clearly G2/L9 for obvious reasons.

Every other pair has one potentially high-equity Townread of mine paired with at worst a null/not sure/needs to post more partner, here they are bolding my Townreads:

G4

+L3

G6

+L8
G7+

L7

G3

+L6

I'd include my own pairing in that heading as well - I'm Town and I'd like to think I can provide good equity going forward, while I don't have a strong read on G1. G1 claims in PT to be somewhat behind reading and concerned about continued high-volume posting making it hard to stay caught up once he does. Of these pairings I don't have a strong preference for keeping or lynching any of them for the moment. I'm hoping that it's a situation where partners will help sort partners.

Mainly why I wanted one of L1 and L6.
So their isn’t two people holding the game hostage.

[Lady 5]

I also think L1 or L6 should be removed.
As I feel it’s a TVS.

Mhm I “felt”.
I’m not entirely sure.
Then if you would have bothered to look into my later posts instead of trying to find posts to shade me with you’d realize that I also said that L1 and L6 is never SvS.
As that was the conclusion I ended up with.

Right. Not SvS, but TvS. Lady 1 flipped town, shouldn't that make Lady 6 scum?

It makes it so it’s not SvS.
Could Lady 6 still be scum? Sure.
But that wasn’t the reason I wanted one of L1 and L6 gone as I stated above.

[Lady 4]

if i leave the dance i won't have to read lady 5's posts anymore

[Lady 4]

oh, who am i kidding, i'm not reading them now

[Lady 5]

Ladies 2, 7, and 5 would you list the pairs in the game in order of most optimal to least optimal lynch, please?

@Lady 2, I do want to say that while I think Gentleman 8's scum flip would somewhat implicate you, I'm individually town reading you and I'd really prefer if that comment didn't prevent you from discussing things with me.

Most to Least.

G5/L4 (if they both flip Town I’ll probably lynch G6/L8)
G1/L2
G7/L7
G4/L3
G3/L6
G2/L9

[Lady 8]

Can I take a break today?

[Lady 5]

oh, who am i kidding, i'm not reading them now

What’s so wrong with my posts.
Tell me.

[Lady 8]

Sorry G6, but this slot needs to burn.

VOTE: Lady 5

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 5, the following two posts contradict each other, which is pretty par the course for you. Actually I'm almost certain that if you picked any single stance of yours this game I could find another post of yours that contradicts it without much difficulty.

Please stop posting for a while, watch the game, get a hold of yourself and know where you're coming from before you keep posting.

Spoiler:

If G8 is scum and all of his options were town, his selection of L5 is still correct. All him picking L5 proves if he's scum is that his buddies wanted them to pick her so she could continue to do L5 things.

WRONG!
If he was scum his correct choice is Lady 2. They are a strong town and should take down a strong town with them.

No one is made nervous by the fact that Gentleman 8 went out of order to choose Lady 5?

What do you make of the fact that he jumped to pick someone he could have waited to pick? Was l5 in danger of being picked by g1 or 3, i forget who was supposed to go first?

I think it more has to do with the fact that if he's scum, he doesn't necessarily want a S-S pair.

Which I’ve pointed out BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO LISTEN TO ME!

[Lady 2]

My follow-up question is rather difficult to phrase, but I'll do my best:
How comfortable do you feel with the game state right now with respect to a Gentleman 5 Lady 4 lynch?

I was going to say basically fine? I think there's enough consensus that G8/L5 can't be allowed to stay in long term regardless, and talking G6 off the ledge is valuable

but

L5 continues to insist on nuking everything in her path??? Like L8 saying that L5 needs to go NOW might be correct regardless of G6's attitude towards not lynching G5 now?

[Gentleman 4]

My follow-up question is rather difficult to phrase, but I'll do my best:
How comfortable do you feel with the game state right now with respect to a Gentleman 5 Lady 4 lynch?

I was going to say basically fine? I think there's enough consensus that G8/L5 can't be allowed to stay in long term regardless, and talking G6 off the ledge is valuable

but

L5 continues to insist on nuking everything in her path??? Like L8 saying that L5 needs to go NOW might be correct regardless of G6's attitude towards not lynching G5 now?

Hm. Do you think the reads on Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 are based on play that indicates positively that their alignment is such that nothing they can do in the future will revoke current scum reads on them? In fewer words: do you think Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 have no capability or potential to ever be an asset, and/or their play indicates with certainty beyond reasonable doubt that one of the two will flip red?

You mentioned Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 as being your priority lynch, but context implies the former statement was a typo and you intended to write Gentleman 5 and Lady 4, is this correct?

Also, while my previous questions are still valid based on the thoughts you indicate here, I fear you misunderstand my question, and for clarification - do you feel comfortable with day ending right now as long as the lynch target flips scum, regardless of who the lynch target is?

[Lady 2]

For G8 I think it is within the realm of the possible that he could become an asset, potentially, and that he very sincerely and innocently just didn't engage with anything pre-dance but has the capacity and willingness to contribute significantly now that we've entered the main phases of the game. I cannot completely rule it out, though at this juncture it seems unlikely. L5 is a different matter. I would like to be more charitable than I am, but it's really really hard for me to see L5 as a future asset to Town. It is very very easy to see her as a continual asset for scum even if she's Town. I do think G8 is at least as likely - probably more - to

be

scum-aligned than L5.

Yes, G5/L4 is (or was, at least) the priority lynch in my eyes, sorry about the typo.

The last question is pretty odd, or maybe I'm just misunderstanding it still? No I don't want Day to end right now I guess? Have I been thinking about things wrong? If we're timely we get two lynches before intermission, correct? I was under the impression that we could lynch G5/L4 and go on to lynch e.g. G8/L5 before intermission phase?

[Gentleman 4]

For G8 I think it is within the realm of the possible that he could become an asset, potentially, and that he very sincerely and innocently just didn't engage with anything pre-dance but has the capacity and willingness to contribute significantly now that we've entered the main phases of the game. I cannot completely rule it out, though at this juncture it seems unlikely. L5 is a different matter. I would like to be more charitable than I am, but it's really really hard for me to see L5 as a future asset to Town. It is very very easy to see her as a continual asset for scum even if she's Town. I do think G8 is at least as likely - probably more - to

be

scum-aligned than L5.

Yes, G5/L4 is (or was, at least) the priority lynch in my eyes, sorry about the typo.

The last question is pretty odd, or maybe I'm just misunderstanding it still? No I don't want Day to end right now I guess? Have I been thinking about things wrong? If we're timely we get two lynches before intermission, correct? I was under the impression that we could lynch G5/L4 and go on to lynch e.g. G8/L5 before intermission phase?

I understand, I somehow managed to miss that part of the setup, my bad.

Would it be safe to say that you feel certain enough in your reads that you feel alright lynching Gentleman 5 and Lady 4 right now, then?

[Lady 2]

I have a preference for everyone checking in and contributing at least some thoughts before a first lynch. With 7 day deadline for first dance, we have time to discuss a bit before lynching but there's no reason to promote all that much delay either. I'd feel happiest getting both our two pre-dance lynches, preferably on G5/L4 and G8/L5. So if what you're asking is "do you want a speed-wagon" my answer is no, not particularly.

[Gentleman 4]

More of: do you feel comfortable (to the point of not really being interested in changing) in lynching Gentleman 5 and Lady 4 and Gentleman 8 and Lady 5.

[Gentleman 4]

I feel like you've answered that adequately at this point however. Do you have a preference of order?

[Lady 2]

Hard to say. Initially yes I preferred G5/L4 first somewhat. Mostly to keep G6 off the ledge, honestly. Now I'm less certain about a preference.

[Lady 7]

My trainer is trying to kill me :/

Anyway I have just a couple minutes before I have to go back to work. Monday’s and Tuesday’s are my busiest days, and I don’t have much more time than to skim quickly to pptry to keep up. If you have a question for me, bold it so that it stands out, or if g7 is around ask him to link it in the qt. My goal for today is to go through g5 like I promised I would. Hopefully I’ll have some time tonight to give thoughts on that.

I saw lady 3 ask about my choice this morning. I’ve already answered this though. The other night I gave a preference list of g3, 7, 1, 8 in that order of who’s left. I cooled off on g3 when I started to worry about his motives and then he made it coear he wouldn’t ask me anyway. G7 was next on the list.

So I was thinking about g8, and I kinda don’t think he’s scum. I don’t understand why he’d choose l5 if he had a qt with the scum team because people made it quite clear they wanted her gone. I can’t imagine scum wanting to be tied to that sinking ship unless they’re exactly scum together and they wanted to make sure that town would be left behind.

And I also can’t see how even if g8 is scum, it means l2 is more likely scum because he didn’t choose her. It makes no sense to me that the next to last man standing would let his partner sway in the wind and almost get left out unless g is scum and they had already planned for g1 to pair up with l2 if no other player did.

Like it makes more sense to me that if g8 is scum, you suspect me because he chose me instead of others.

Am I thing about this in a crazy way? For gamestate health g8/l5 will probably have to go anyway because it’s just too disruptive, and people irritated by her posts should probably stop interacting with her because you’re just asking her to post more stuff that’s gonna make you mad.

Crap I had another thought right there and I can’t remember.

I need to try to organize my reads and thoughts a bit, but for now and when I can today I will work on g5

Toodles

[Lady 4]

Hard to say. Initially yes I preferred G5/L4 first somewhat. Mostly to keep G6 off the ledge, honestly. Now I'm less certain about a preference.

Lynch us first. G5 is probably scum but more importantly, having time to discuss his flip before intermission is more valuable.

[Gentleman 4]

How many times have you played scum before, Lady 7?

[Lady 7]

How many times have you played scum before, Lady 7?

Played over 209 games of mafia, more town than scum, but I can’t give you a number. I absolutely hate, detest, loathe drawing scum, but I usually do okay. Went on a two-year streak of winning every scum game I played across 6 sites sometime back though. Don’t know how I’d do today. Haven’t played mafia in over a year and haven’t drawn scum in two years. I still hate it. Drawing mafia is one of the worst forms of torture in mafia, and that’s misery usually shines through.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but.

Okay gotta go for realz.

[Lady 3]

I see Lady 8 still hasn't answered my question

[Gentleman 4]

How many times have you played scum before, Lady 7?

Played over 209 games of mafia, more town than scum, but I can’t give you a number. I absolutely hate, detest, loathe drawing scum, but I usually do okay. Went on a two-year streak of winning every scum game I played across 6 sites sometime back though. Don’t know how I’d do today. Haven’t played mafia in over a year and haven’t drawn scum in two years. I still hate it. Drawing mafia is one of the worst forms of torture in mafia, and that’s misery usually shines through.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but.

Okay gotta go for realz.

That's actually... really interesting. How long have you been playing and across what sites?

I asked because I somewhat disagreed with you on your previous comment, but you obviously have the experience to be taken pretty seriously here so I'll weigh it appropriately.

[Lady 8]

I see Lady 8 still hasn't answered my question

You haven't answered my question.

why are you okay with suiciding yourself and g6 if you don't trust town?

Because I'm stubborn.

[Lady 3]

thats not even an answer what?