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[Wake1]

I work (and am off on) nights, so I just woke up.

I'll read over this in a little while.

[profii]

Let me remind you all that just because your points may be correct and make sense, that does not mean that the case you've built will yield scum at the end of it

...... so how do we yield scum then?

Welcome to Mafia, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Looker

Why looker ?

[Montosh]

VC 1.8

Looker (4):

Wake88, alimdia, UltimatePlank, Elbirn

(L-2)

UltimatePlank (3):

profii, Saladman27, Elements

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Saladman27 (1):

Zote the Mighty

Not voting (1):

Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Saladman27 is V/LA until 11/14

[profii]

VC 1.5

Wake88 (5):

Saudade, profii, Vorkuta, Zote the Mighty, Saladman27

(L-1)

Saladman27 (3):

Elbirn, UltimatePlank, alimdia

Elbirn (1):

Elements

Not voting (2):

Wake88, Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

VC 1.8

Looker (4):

Wake88, alimdia, UltimatePlank, Elbirn

(L-2)

UltimatePlank (3):

profii, Saladman27, Elements

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Saladman27 (1):

Zote the Mighty

Not voting (1):

Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Saladman27 is V/LA until 11/14

It's pretty strange that those 2 wagons comprise of no overlap.

[Wake1]

Interesting how those three on mine jumped onto Salad instead.

[Elements]

VOTE: Looker
That's L-1

[Elements]

VOTE: Looker
That's L-1

[Wake1]

Looker

, I would ask you to please claim.

No quick-lynching, the rest of you. I want this information.

[Looker]

Wait so post #396 or #414 is me exploding? I just had a look at both of them and.... its just me defending myself against your claim that I'm intentionally obfuscating the thread. FYI you're still only pointing at me for doing that.

I read exclamations (!) as excitement. Also:

• "You think you know a guy and he does something stupid."
  
• "You are stupid."

When saying "you" in the blast bullshit post, I was using the first version.

Your next post, which is the post I am quoting, suddenly straight up slips that wake is town. Hmm? Where did that sudden town read come from? I think it's definitely a slip

If we assume that's an accident.... who is the opportunistic scum on the wagon? Why is your vote on Elements, who needed to be prodded by the mod and thus actually hasn't posted in a while.

• I draw reads from circumstances sometimes. It looks hella scummy if somebody (or a group of people) jumps on Person A with no reasoning.
  
• My vote was on Elements to remind the thread that he existed. I want input from everyone before the end of D1.

Why don't you do some investigation yourself instead of putting a vote on an afk person until they come back? That makes no sense. 5 other people aren't gonna magically jump onto his wagon before he gets replaced or comes back.

That's subjective - I

am

investigating. My intent was not to quicklynch, so I don't see why "5 other people magically jumping on his wagon before he gets replaced" would be important. Are quicklynches important to you?

If my case convinces people, I don't see why they have to find some other extra reasoning to vote with me.
It's only when its like ... the wake wagon where there's not really a case that its suspicious.

• So you agree with me that the Wake wagon was suspicious? But fault me for finding it suspicious?

I assume you're referring to me questioning your vote on Elements, to which I'd reply that I don't understand where it comes from. Why did you vote someone who has been V/LA most of the day?

Because the day's not over and input's preferred from everyone.

Do you expect me to have full cases on people when we're still early in Day 1 and little has been established? I find it troubling that you are so confident in your reads.

With such flimsy reasoning.

So basically the case against Looker is his lack of contribution or substance in his posts. Is that not very similar to the case that was against Wake in the beginning? I find it odd that the players in support of the Looker wagon were the same people who were against the Wake wagon are in support of the Looker wagon despite the similar reasoning.

Most cases have been founded on lurking.

VOTE: Looker

Back to this after that last page. Have to go to work.

I feel that if you have time to vote, you have time to explain.

After rereading the game and focusing on Looker's posts,
well

guy posts like a robot

I don't know what that means. 404: Comprehension not found

2. Why do you instead continue to have a bizarre fixation on Elements instead? If there was a time to move on over to bigger and better things it's with this post, but instead you posture about how you're going to move and continue to vote park someone who at the time wasn't even here.

"Continue" and "bizarre" (and "fixation") are exaggerative. "Bigger" and "better" are also subjective. Day 1's not over, input is required from everyone, and it worked - Elements returned and contributed as opposed to his previous lackluster posts.

I mean look at how fast the wake wagon went, and how slow this Looker wagon is, even tho my case on Looker has way more content than the case on wake.

It's more verbose, but equally lacks validity.

I think while finding connections is crucial in this game in terms of looking for scum partnering possibilities, we shouldn't have 2 seperate wagons.

I need to read Plank later

to see what you are saying, but for now if you think Looker is scum, you should be on the Looker wagon.

This is the same phrasing I used when referring to Wake. Why did you find it scummy?

Welcome to Mafia, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Looker

True, but it'd help if you provided justification.

VC 1.5

Wake88 (5):

Saudade, profii, Vorkuta, Zote the Mighty, Saladman27

(L-1)

Saladman27 (3):

Elbirn, UltimatePlank, alimdia

Elbirn (1):

Elements

Not voting (2):

Wake88, Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

VC 1.8

Looker (4):

Wake88, alimdia, UltimatePlank, Elbirn

(L-2)

UltimatePlank (3):

profii, Saladman27, Elements

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Saladman27 (1):

Zote the Mighty

Not voting (1):

Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Saladman27 is V/LA until 11/14

It's pretty strange that those 2 wagons comprise of no overlap.

I just want to keep this in my ISO.

Interesting how those three on mine jumped onto Salad instead.

What three?

Looker

, I would ask you to please claim.

No quick-lynching, the rest of you. I want this information.

I'll claim on Friday, or you can find out earlier by hammering.

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I feel alimdia's attacks are because I accused her of unsubstantiated garbage. I think Wake88 just wants to end Day 1. Elbirn confuses me; however, UltimatePlank has been consistently sheeping wagons and contradicting himself. I was trying to draw connections and see who he sheeped more, but I'm comfortable leaving my vote on him for the rest of Day 1.

VOTE: UP

[profii]

Looker

, I would ask you to please claim.

No quick-lynching, the rest of you. I want this information.

so you can declare yourself as a quick-hammer'er but when you are on the wagon we have to wait until you are satisfied?

I am not going to quick hammer but this double standard is outrageous

[profii]

I'm a big fan of pressuring this slot actually

VOTE: Looker

Why do you keep on sheeping others without any good reason? Why not even regurgitate the other wagoneers’ reasoning?

Looker - if I said Salad looks like he is trying to discourage people from voting you by belittling their reasoning here what would you say ?

[Vorkuta]

so you can declare yourself as a quick-hammer'er but when you are on the wagon we have to wait until you are satisfied?

I am not going to quick hammer but this double standard is outrageous

+1

wake wagon please

[alimdia]

Your next post, which is the post I am quoting, suddenly straight up slips that wake is town. Hmm? Where did that sudden town read come from? I think it's definitely a slip

If we assume that's an accident.... who is the opportunistic scum on the wagon? Why is your vote on Elements, who needed to be prodded by the mod and thus actually hasn't posted in a while.

I draw reads from circumstances sometimes. It looks hella scummy if somebody (or a group of people) jumps on Person A with no reasoning.

No you had 0 mention of wake, and then suddenly you assume wake is town. 0 analysis in between. You didn't express any reads in between.

That's subjective - I

am

investigating. My intent was not to quicklynch, so I don't see why "5 other people magically jumping on his wagon before he gets replaced" would be important. Are quicklynches important to you?

You still haven't investigated the people on the wake wagon, conveniently ignores my post 443 where I help dissect the wake wagon and how Looker has almost 0 scum reads on the 5 people on wake's wagon.

Hm... "Are quicklynches important to you?" Where did that question come from? I was saying your vote is useless on Elements because nobody was gonna wagon him at the time. Your vote is very important for analysis later. The fact that you parked it on someone to 'waste your vote' was highly suspicious when combined with the rest of my case- that was what I was saying

• So you agree with me that the Wake wagon was suspicious? But fault me for finding it suspicious?

You've just said it was suspicious with a sudden blindsided town read on wake when you previously had nothing on Wake. Where are your actions to support your words?

I think while finding connections is crucial in this game in terms of looking for scum partnering possibilities, we shouldn't have 2 seperate wagons.

I need to read Plank later

to see what you are saying, but for now if you think Looker is scum, you should be on the Looker wagon.

This is the same phrasing I used when referring to Wake. Why did you find it scummy?

I didn't have a sudden town or scum read on Plank with nothing in between a few posts later? Whereas you did.

I feel alimdia's attacks are because I accused her of unsubstantiated garbage.

Um.... Thats your defense?

I'll claim on Friday, or you can find out earlier by hammering.

Its Tuesday now. You need 3 days to make a claim?
Looker basically didn't defend the meat of the case at all other than 'flimsy reasoning' and 'unsubstantiated'. Someone else has to see this right?
Someone that has a similar viewpoint state an intent to hammer and force a claim immediately please.

[alimdia]

Can someone TL;DR key points the wagon on looker?
I've caught up but I still don't get it

Have you ISO'ed me yet?

[alimdia]

VC 1.5

Wake88 (5):

Saudade, profii, Vorkuta, Zote the Mighty, Saladman27

(L-1)

Saladman27 (3):

Elbirn, UltimatePlank, alimdia

Elbirn (1):

Elements

Not voting (2):

Wake88, Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

VC 1.8

Looker (4):

Wake88, alimdia, UltimatePlank, Elbirn

(L-2)

UltimatePlank (3):

profii, Saladman27, Elements

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Saladman27 (1):

Zote the Mighty

Not voting (1):

Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Saladman27 is V/LA until 11/14

It's pretty strange that those 2 wagons comprise of no overlap.

What's the reasoning do you think?

Interesting how those three on mine jumped onto Salad instead.

You mean 2? And did you mean plank?

[alimdia]

However, I am curious about Looker, but I dont feel a need to vote right now... I have specific questions, if he answers them satisfactorily, then cool, I probably wont vote. If not, I'll either ask more questions or just vote. I dont feel the need to just jump in though - what if we evaluate someone and we decide they are town, but they dont want to work together because they feel like you gave them a hard time? then how do we catch scum - we need to play the long game here... it's a team sport.

Did he answer your questions satisfactorily, if at all?

Also the second part of your statement doesn't really make sense. How is your evaluation of looker going? This isn't big brother here, this is mafia?

[profii]

VC 1.5

Wake88 (5):

Saudade, profii, Vorkuta, Zote the Mighty, Saladman27

(L-1)

Saladman27 (3):

Elbirn, UltimatePlank, alimdia

Elbirn (1):

Elements

Not voting (2):

Wake88, Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

VC 1.8

Looker (4):

Wake88, alimdia, UltimatePlank, Elbirn

(L-2)

UltimatePlank (3):

profii, Saladman27, Elements

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Saladman27 (1):

Zote the Mighty

Not voting (1):

Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Saladman27 is V/LA until 11/14

It's pretty strange that those 2 wagons comprise of no overlap.

What's the reasoning do you think?

Interesting how those three on mine jumped onto Salad instead.

You mean 2? And did you mean plank?

I'm really curious about Salad who was a bit weird about voting Wake, waiting until he was actually online - then not only doesn't vote the looker wagon, but criticised someone for going on that wagon where I highlighted that sheeping point.

I'd like to hear more about that

[Elements]

2. Why do you instead continue to have a bizarre fixation on Elements instead? If there was a time to move on over to bigger and better things it's with this post, but instead you posture about how you're going to move and continue to vote park someone who at the time wasn't even here.

"Continue" and "bizarre" (and "fixation") are exaggerative. "Bigger" and "better" are also subjective. Day 1's not over, input is required from everyone, and it worked - Elements returned and contributed as opposed to his previous lackluster posts.

I'm sorry, but it reads here like you're saying my return from V/LA had something to do with your vote on me? What planet could you be on to possibly think that? I do not believe for a second you genuinely think that your single vote on me changed my activity level or was likely to in the slightest. You just didn't want to vote plank and had to come up with some excuse.

Just hammer this wake idc for a claim at this point.

[Wake1]

I'm already voting him.

I want a claim. Some sort of information.

I don't like that he's delaying it until Friday.

Someone post intent to hammer so he will claim.

[alimdia]

Looker

, I would ask you to please claim.

No quick-lynching, the rest of you. I want this information.

so you can declare yourself as a quick-hammer'er but when you are on the wagon we have to wait until you are satisfied?

I am not going to quick hammer but this double standard is outrageous

Yea er wake?

You mean 2? And did you mean plank?

I'm really curious about Salad who was a bit weird about voting Wake, waiting until he was actually online - then not only doesn't vote the looker wagon, but criticised someone for going on that wagon where I highlighted that sheeping point.

I'd like to hear more about that[/quote]

Ah I see what you're doing

I'm already voting him.

I want a claim. Some sort of information.

I don't like that he's delaying it until Friday.

Someone post intent to hammer so he will claim.

That would probably have to be profii or Saudade

[alimdia]

Middle quote failed, meant to be this:

I'm really curious about Salad who was a bit weird about voting Wake, waiting until he was actually online - then not only doesn't vote the looker wagon, but criticised someone for going on that wagon where I highlighted that sheeping point.

I'd like to hear more about that

[Saudade]

Dont you dare hammer the day now

[profii]

I'll not be hammering. I want Looker and Salad to come back at least before I go anywhere near it

[Elbirn]

Looker, both alimdia and I asked you essentially the same question and you took the time to make an entire wall of text without addressing either of us about it. You even took the time to *remove* my question from your quote wall while you responded to my point #2, so it's not like you didnt see it.

My vote stays until i have an answer. Stop dodging the subject.

[profii]

to be fair I'm getting ever closer to voting looker