Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[emps]

"evidence to suggest someone is scum" =/= "think somebody is scum", don't twist it

Like if you placed a "serious" vote
Then there must have been evidence to SUGGEST I am scum
Which you literally confirmed, because your reasoning was "referencing past games"

Which is literally "evidence to suggest"

This? I’ve already told you that you are wrong here. This isn’t true.

Is this what you really want to rehash?

Yes
I want other people's opinion on this

Am I legit insane for having this view?

lol no

[emps]

A slight misrep, maybe, but nothing major and nothing I couldn't see coming from either alignment.

yes thank you for being sane

[emps]

AtE AtE AtE AtE

[emps]

is there a TL;DR for now?

wimpy voted datisi
mena asked why
wimpy said why
mena said that wimpy thought datisi was scum
everything goes fucking downhill
20 pages of bullshit

ok here we are

[emps]

586 policy vote on emps for spammy catchup and careless voting

yeah spammy posts and careless voting is like my playstle (little less of careless voting and a little bit of dumb fancy shit thrown in)

[emps]

also 60 pages is like
nothing

oh no what the fuck are you planning to do

[emps]

what's up with the emp wagon?

2 rvs votes and someone policy lynching me for my playstyle

[emps]

also its emps not emp get it right its not even that hard to type out its 4 letters

[emps]

whats up with the wicked wagon? i havent really noticed too much from him

then again maybe because all i remember about this game is 20 pages of datisi mena and wimpy

[emps]

ok time to iso wickeds like 10 posts lol

[emps]

oh yeah it is kind of strange that 187 was like the post he decided to reply to but irl stuff is fine

[emps]

ima head off and be a *somewhat* productive member of society

ill check back later

[Wickedestjr]

Okay I'm caught up. More in a bit.

[alimdia]

However he just made 1 post and then dipped.

Oh yeah, was this a "positive" or "negative" context?

I'm waiting on Wicked's defence but it was supposed to be a positive for him. In that that's the only post we are judging him off on.

Can you clarify this a bit further? I'm not sure what you mean - do you think it was a good post? A NAI one?

When I said positive I was referring to my original statement about making one post. I think its not a good post but overall it's NAI.

Why is wimpy!slot town?

I’m not sure if I’m tunnelling or not that’s the problem

Read your own ISO wtf you guys were literally tunneling on each other. But also nobody else was posting so...

also 60 pages is like
nothing

oh no what the fuck are you planning to do

Says the person that posts one sentence replies a lot...

[alimdia]

I think I get this confident in basically every game I play but I wouldn’t say my confidence level was ever over 65% on wimpy!scum

Which I know doesn’t look great but that’s how much he was pissing me off

....
I'm tempted to drag up that argument about the 'definitely sure' and 'probably sure' that you guys had

[emps]

I'm tempted to drag up that argument about the 'definitely sure' and 'probably sure' that you guys had

please no dont do it

[Wickedestjr]

I agree that having 20 pages of Mena/Wimpy/Datisi all arguing with each other was not pro-town at all. The three of them literally had over 90% of the posts in this thread at one point and it was all just repeating the same points over and over again. It's like Wimpy and Mena were both competing to have the last say even if that meant having the same conversation 50 times in a row. News flash: most people can read and are competent enough to form opinions on something without needing to read it over and over again.

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Datisi:

neutral, slight town lean
-She seems to be genuinely relaxed, I couldn't detect any discomfort or awkwardness. As far as her Wimpy-push goes, I agree with Ico's point that she would be setting herself up for scrutiny if she was scum pushing Wimpy-town, so the confidence expressed here, as one example, feels unlikely to come from Datisi-scum pushing a known mis-lynch. I'm inclined to think it's not bussing either.
-There are a couple small things that feel off to me like the doubt she expressed in Wimpy at some points and her lack of paranoia with Menalque. I'm having trouble explaining why these things are rubbing me the wrong way.
-This is another post that feels a little strange to me. Menalque and I literally just got out of a scum game where our third partner used to say stuff like this.

Datisi, what makes your play here so out of your scum range?

Wimpy:

neutral
-It's pretty obvious he didn't have 200+ games on Mafiascum. There are very few people that have that much experience and his play didn't indicate that either. It felt like he probably played a large portion of those games on some sort of real-time site, especially given this response. I wanted to get a sense of how many of his games were actual slow-paced forum games like this one because that's actually relevant experience in my eyes. If he had 30+ mafiascum games under his belt then that would make me feel much worse about his play here than if he had like 2 games under his belt and wasn't used to the site meta.
-I don't believe that over-defensiveness is a scum tell, but it does feel like Wimpy was more concerned with arguing with Mena/Datisi than actually sorting them.
-On the other hand, some of his defeatist/1v1 posts feel kinda townish to me: see 358 and 640. I also kinda believe him when he says he doesn't care how people read him.

Menalque:

neutral, slight scum lean
-I don't like his overly-confident push on Wimpy.
-I don't like what he's done to the game-state (helping spam the thread, f-bombing the guy that he's confidently scum-reading who has now replaced out)
-I don't like his warning to me here. Not only does it feel like a misrep waiting to happen but I'm still not sure why he makes that post as town.
-Regardless of his alignment, I think he crossed the line in his treatment of Wimpy. It kinda sucks that Wimpy replaced out and is leaving the site. Regardless of how irritable he may have been to certain people, he shouldn't have been treated that way and this feels like the wrong outcome.

Menalque, I know that you strongly prefer town. Why did you want to coast this game?


UNVOTE: VOTE: Menalque

[Datisi]

Only one page while I was sleeping? There go my dreams of beating 1942...

Will reply to everything in a bit. Stay tuned.

[emps]

datisi are you masochistic or some shit why do you want to wake up to like 8 pages

[Datisi]

the more material this game has

the more i can be distracted from how my life if falling apart

[Datisi]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

@Wicked, kinda similar question to you, there's been a bit of discussion about Icon/alimdia/Luca, any reads there?

@Mena, why are you hard TRing Luca?

[Datisi]

My question in 812 was mostly referring to this part:

Ico, you vote me for ‘of all the things to comment on’ I only asked Wimpy about his experience. Just because it’s the only thing I commented on doesn’t mean it’s the only thing I wanted to comment on. It’s simply the only thing I had time to comment on.

Wimpy’s experience was the thing I was most curious about

after reading the first few pages (and I’m not the only person that was interested in his answer).

Datisi:

neutral, slight town lean
-She seems to be genuinely relaxed, I couldn't detect any discomfort or awkwardness. As far as her Wimpy-push goes, I agree with Ico's point that she would be setting herself up for scrutiny if she was scum pushing Wimpy-town, so the confidence expressed here, as one example, feels unlikely to come from Datisi-scum pushing a known mis-lynch. I'm inclined to think it's not bussing either.
-There are a couple small things that feel off to me like the doubt she expressed in Wimpy at some points and her lack of paranoia with Menalque. I'm having trouble explaining why these things are rubbing me the wrong way.
-This is another post that feels a little strange to me. Menalque and I literally just got out of a scum game where our third partner used to say stuff like this.

Datisi, what makes your play here so out of your scum range?

As much as I do love playing scum, doing so is very stressful for me and it makes me panic about every post I make, to the point that 50-70% of my scum PT's are literally just me going

"buddy help me X did Y what am I supposed to do in response"

. Me being this ~relaxed~ and freely posting at the extent I am is out of my scumrange I think, especially in a game with no daytalk. (God knows how much I abuse daytalk.) Obviously that argument might not be convincing to others, but eh, it was more of a passing comment.

Why is both "me expressing doubt over Wimpy" (potential lack of TMI) and "lack of paranoia with Menalque" (potential TMI) rubbing you the wrong way?

[alimdia]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna piggyback this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

[Luca Blight]

Wicked now has all these problems with Menalque’s earlier approach, so why didn’t he make any mention of his grievances at the time? He’s only basically repeating what Icon said regarding Menalque, but the difference is that Icon had no chance to intervene while Wicked did.

Other than that his post ‘looks’ nice.

[alimdia]

I will reread Mena later.

@Luca, Didnt wicked say he was busy at the time?