Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[alimdia]

You said you disliked the tunneling but the 65% thing was in his favour. Is that literally why you’re townreading him?

It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.

[alimdia]

stole the pagetop ez

[Luca Blight]

Are you talking to me? If so, you were null-town at the time, but you’re not anymore.

[Luca Blight]

You said you disliked the tunneling but the 65% thing was in his favour. Is that literally why you’re townreading him?

It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.

So do you have any other reason to townread him, or is that it?

[Datisi]

Would Wimpy reads wise have been between Luca and Wicked?

[Luca Blight]

I still don’t get why I would even be null when he had nothing but negative things to say about me. Why not put me as a scum-lean?

It feels like he wanted to shade without committing to the read.

[alimdia]

Would Wimpy reads wise have been between Luca and Wicked?

I honestly have 0 ideas about Wimpy at the moment, my head hurts thinking about going back to read the interactions. The man quit the site for crying out loud

I still don’t get why I would even be null when he had nothing but negative things to say about me. Why not put me as a scum-lean?

It feels like he wanted to shade without committing to the read.

wtf who said you were null.
Have you guys not read the part where I said

1) i didnt c/p wimpy down to the actual null spot along with aldu
2) hencefore you are not null, you're in the leaning scum pile
I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum. I'm just not voting you at the moment because the Wicked wagon looks more promising.
You're the one that shades me whenever people say they think I'm town. You seem to be scared for me to be a town-read, that you turn every 'pro-town' thing that people say I do into 'both scum and town can do this'.

[alimdia]

It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.

Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.

[Datisi]

I'm not talking about your current read on him. I'm talking about your past read on him - at the moment you were crafting the readslist.

[Datisi]

I'm confused too, alimdia
Because I get the feeling that Luca & I have taken very similar stances on you
+ I've actively pushed you out of the Townbloc when Icon was trying to get you in

Why do I get to be the "genuine scumhunter" but Luca is "afraid of being outed in the PoE"?

Also I think you missed this?

[Luca Blight]

also @Aldu
when you get the chance a basic readslist with an explanation or two would be gucci
k thx

Town:
alimdia -- for reasons I've said before, and I mostly agree with Ico's points on him (and anything I don't agree with I just think is null).
Ico -- Ico's been making a lot of sense. The progression of the read on Menalque is natural, and I like the poking at Wicked.
Menalque -- the earlier tunneling and the later "oh crap was I tunneling" seem town to me, I've had similar experiences. I'm still looking forward to more content on non-Wimpy stuff, though.
Datisi -- kinda like a towner version of Menalque. Posted a lot but a good variety, not just on Wimpy.
emps -- lot of posting, not a lot of content. When he came in with post 599 and saying "i honestly have no fucking clue what my reads are tbh" that seemed town to me. I think scum would most likely push Wimpy or Menalque, rather than risk appearing wishy-washy. Leaning town, but still close to null.

Scum:
Wimpy -- pretty much what I've said before. Although the fact that he straight up replaced out makes me think his behavior wasn't as alignment indicative as I thought.
Luca -- too much on the sidelines, too much pushing the popular wagons. Probably not scum with Wimpy or Wicked.
Wicked -- see my previous post.

The more I look at this post the more the hypocrisy burns a hole in it.

He says I’m scummy for pushing Wimpy and Wicked, but look who’s in his scumpool. How can he suspect me for having similar reads to him? That is not a mindset that makes sense. I also feel like he’s buddying Icon, and his emps townread doesn’t make sense given emps actually pushed Wimpy as much as I did. It also feels like he’s opportunistically positioning to jump on Wicked while shading me as the one ‘pushing main wagons from the sidelines’.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Aldu

[Datisi]

I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum. I'm just not voting you at the moment because the Wicked wagon looks more promising.

Also
(up until lit moment ago)
Luca was ON the Wicked wagon
Why were you willing to jump on the wagon with a player you think is scum? Because it looks more promising? What?

[Luca Blight]

@Ali: the way you presented your readslist made it look like you were townreading him, why not mention that he wasn’t a Townread? It now looks like you’re making it up as you go along.

[Luca Blight]

Would Wimpy reads wise have been between Luca and Wicked?

I honestly have 0 ideas about Wimpy at the moment, my head hurts thinking about going back to read the interactions. The man quit the site for crying out loud

I still don’t get why I would even be null when he had nothing but negative things to say about me. Why not put me as a scum-lean?

It feels like he wanted to shade without committing to the read.

wtf who said you were null.
Have you guys not read the part where I said

1) i didnt c/p wimpy down to the actual null spot along with aldu
2) hencefore you are not null, you're in the leaning scum pile
I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum. I'm just not voting you at the moment because the Wicked wagon looks more promising.
You're the one that shades me whenever people say they think I'm town. You seem to be scared for me to be a town-read, that you turn every 'pro-town' thing that people say I do into 'both scum and town can do this'.

I don’t townread you, so when I see others hard-townreading you for something I don’t think is really AI why would I not talk about it? You’ve done the same to me this game at least once from what I remember (when Datisi said she agreed with most thing I’ve said and you said it was me agreeing with her).

[alimdia]

I was getting to it Datisi

I'm confused too, alimdia
Because I get the feeling that Luca & I have taken very similar stances on you
+ I've actively pushed you out of the Townbloc when Icon was trying to get you in

Why do I get to be the "genuine scumhunter" but Luca is "afraid of being outed in the PoE"?

I had a townread on you, I think before post 587. The top reasons are your interactions with Mena and the way you've been talking (also known as tone/my gut) I'm not really going to dig up the 20 pages again because my head hurts when I read through it.
When you were 'actively pushing me out of the townblock' when Icon said we're not lynching alimdia today, the fact of the matter is that you are an (almost) global townread, while Luca is not. You don't have any nefarious motives in trying to push me in or out of the townblock.
However, Luca is not a global townread, far from it. As such, he is potentially afraid of being outed via PoE. That's the way it looks like to me

I'm not talking about your current read on him. I'm talking about your past read on him - at the moment you were crafting the readslist.

Theres like a literal difference of less than a day.
My current and past read of wimpy hasn't changed from when I made the list to now

I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum. I'm just not voting you at the moment because the Wicked wagon looks more promising.

Also
(up until lit moment ago)
Luca was ON the Wicked wagon
Why were you willing to jump on the wagon with a player you think is scum? Because it looks more promising? What?

Because I have quite a few scumreads and they can't all be correct. Won't know any connections until there's a flip. Wicked was more suspicious to me compared to Luca plus I admit I might be a bit biased against Luca here, hence more promising

@Ali: the way you presented your readslist made it look like you were townreading him, why not mention that he wasn’t a Townread? It now looks like you’re making it up as you go along.

I would like you to refer to my completed Newbie game, where I also mentioned there I only have 1-2 town reads at a time. I actually had 2-3 there but one of them was my mason buddy so yeah

I don’t townread you, so when I see others hard-townreading you for something I don’t think is really AI why would I not talk about it? You’ve done the same to me this game at least once from what I remember (when Datisi said she agreed with most thing I’ve said and you said it was me agreeing with her).

Thats different. She said she agrees with everything that is coming out of your mouth, not that she is townreading you. She actually had you as null-town lean I believe. I was just telling her that hey, thats because you guys said the same things.

[Datisi]

I'll reply to other stuff later. My point regarding that read is.

(1) Null is in between Town and scum.

(2) You said (878) your reads (from Town to scum) were Icon Datisi Mena Luca Wimpy Wicked Emps. (With Aldu outside but it's irrelevant.)

(3) You said Wimpy was null.

When the three premises are taken into account, I come to the conclusion that Luca was closer to Town than to scum in your reads.

Is any of this wrong, and if so, where?

[Luca Blight]

I also want to point out that I Townread Datisi and Icon before Ali did (Ali didn’t give any reads until I called him out on it) so his claim that I’m scared of him also becoming townread due to PoE is not only irrational but also doesn’t really make sense, as I’ve helped to form that PoE. I’m actually wondering if he’s projecting his own fears onto me.

[Plum]

Votecount 1.5

Wimpy

- 2 (Menalque, emps)

Menalque

- 2 (Wimpy, Wickedestjr)

Wickedestjr

- 2 (Iconeum, Datisi)

Alduskkel

- 1 (Luca Blight)

Not Voting

- 2 (Alduskkel, alimdia)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-18 23:00:00)

[Luca Blight]

Any reason you’re not pushing your main scumread, Ali? I’d almost forgotten your emps SR until i re-read your reads list.

[Datisi]

When you were 'actively pushing me out of the townblock' when Icon said we're not lynching alimdia today, the fact of the matter is that you are an (almost) global townread, while Luca is not.

You don't have any nefarious motives

in trying to push me in or out of the townblock.

This almost reads like a bit... tmi? Scum!me would have very good reasons to push town!you (or town!anyone, for that matter) out of the Townblocc.

I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum. I'm just not voting you at the moment because the Wicked wagon looks more promising.

Also
(up until lit moment ago)
Luca was ON the Wicked wagon
Why were you willing to jump on the wagon with a player you think is scum? Because it looks more promising? What?

Because I have quite a few scumreads and they can't all be correct. Won't know any connections until there's a flip. Wicked was more suspicious to me compared to Luca plus I admit I might be a bit biased against Luca here, hence more promising

Ehh
You literally said "I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum."
like generally if this is scum!Luca then chances for scum!Wicked go down by a lot
admiting bias is +town i guess
but this is still weird

I don’t townread you, so when I see others hard-townreading you for something I don’t think is really AI why would I not talk about it? You’ve done the same to me this game at least once from what I remember (when Datisi said she agreed with most thing I’ve said and you said it was me agreeing with her).

Thats different. She said she agrees with everything that is coming out of your mouth, not that she is townreading you. She actually had you as null-town lean I believe. I was just telling her that hey, thats because you guys said the same things.

Yeah, but I said "everything... so far". I admit the quote came right after he agreed with me about something (great timing oops) but I was referring to his posting as a whole up to that point.

Also I'm not sure how much the dinstiction between "they were TR you"/"I was agreeing with Luca" matters

[Datisi]

Town:
alimdia -- for reasons I've said before, and I mostly agree with Ico's points on him (and anything I don't agree with I just think is null).

Also this. What is this.

The only time he's even brought up alimdia was here:

Spoiler:

@Wicked @Luca, you guys should un-vote your RVS's when you get back

@Wicked @Luca, you guys should un-vote your RVS's when you get back

This is townposting

I mean I think alimdia is more likely to be town based on him saying that, because scum-alimdia wouldn't vote for emps and then ask other people on the same wagon to move their votes.

A bit of a stretch to call this "reasons" I think.

Also that "I agree with whatever Ico's said except the things I don't which I think is null". I almost want to give this Townpoints purely on the fact that scum would be more self-aware as to not write something like that. But I've learned my lesson in doing that.

[Plum]

Notes

popsofctown

replaces

Wimpy

. Day 1 deadline will be extended by one day.

[Datisi]

Oooh. Hi pops!!

[popsofctown]

Hi Datisi

[popsofctown]

The offtopic conversations on the first five pages are not about autumn, Plum is merciful for not smiting