Newbie 1964 [Game Over]

[Gyro Zeppeli]

I personally dont like Karnage’s reads of who's ‘scum’ and how im too scummy to be scum. I think he’s just trying to ride with a general consensus and seem fine with town. If someone is ‘scummy’ they are probably mafia in your eyes i dont believe too scummy is a thing

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Gilded - thanks for replacing in. You're in a tough spot, so I'd like to see your catchup asap.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I personally dont like Karnage’s reads of who's ‘scum’ and how im too scummy to be scum. I think he’s just trying to ride with a general consensus and seem fine with town. If someone is ‘scummy’ they are probably mafia in your eyes i dont believe too scummy is a thing

It definitely is. It's when people start to differentiate bad play (of which you are very guilty) from scummy play (of which you are less guilty). The point of this specific part of the server is to let people have some bad play and get some experience scum hunting so they can distinguish bad from scummy play. So too scummy to be scum is a thing, because usually scum is a bit self-aware of how they are perceived and they're not trying to eat a lynch. Your play has almost asked people to be suspicious of you, which as Karnage said is basically too scummy to be scum. To summarize, you are playing very scummy (not scum hunting, telling people to piss off when they ask you for reasoning, failing to really explain your reasons, sheeping other people's cases rather than building your own.) All that is pretty damn scummy. But its almost impossible for you to be scum here, because in my thinking, scum would have at least tried to play a bit less aggressively scummy. If this is a gambit and you're scum, then good luck. If you're town, then you're not helping your team, and you should cut that shit out.

[Karnage]

I personally dont like Karnage’s reads of who's ‘scum’

and how im too scummy to be scum. I think he’s just trying to ride with a general consensus and seem fine with town. If someone is ‘scummy’ they are probably mafia in your eyes i dont believe too scummy is a thing

Who is scum then?

[TheGildedSun]

Hey all. I'll be reading all 11 pages until I can make any claims or assumptions. Will speak on this in a little bit once I have sufficient information.

[TheGildedSun]

General Notes:

Pg 1.

- Game opens with some solid random votes. A bit confused on why people were asking for reasoning, when clearly they are just random to get the game rolling. I might just be looking to far into an obvious irony, though.

Pg. 2.

- Game picks up on page 2
- Early clash between Jones and Micc over the topic of sheeping
Jones overreacts (in my opinion) to BMolla's 26, can see why that appeared as suspicious

Pg. 3.

- Gyro has no apparent want to help town? (at least early on)

Pg. 4.

On my predecessor:

People who sheep aren't thinking for themselves. They run the risk of sheeping scum, but apart from that it's encouraging a group-think mentality, which allows scum to hide very effectively since they aren't pushed to show their own opinions to as great an extent.

In general terms I agree with this. Sheeping can be a giveaway, it can show a player is trying to remain on the background, be agreeable, without putting in their input. Personally I feel this to be more of a newbie scum tactic as opposed to more-skilled players. I see aggressive behavior to be more common in experienced mafia.
What Bmolla said appeared to be a much more ironic statement to me though. It seemed like a joke and I feel as though everyone was looking too far into it.

Just to clarify - BBmolla isn't sheeping yet. I don't count RVS votes. \

This contradicted what Jones said earlier. His "policy lynch" claim on BMolla seemed less than sarcastic. It's not consistent.

Those things just don’t go together. If your BBmolla vote was an RVS joke, then it was actively hindering the game from moving forward, not helping it.

I agree with this. Jones openly admitted that he didn't know if BBmolla was scum or not and still voted. I feel as though at that point in the game RVS hinder progress.

I think the way he dealt with the interaction from Micc in response to his BBM vote didnt look good. He starts by saying that sheeping is bad (fine no argument) but then explains that he doesnt think BBM was sheeping and that scum wouldnt be so transparent.

hundred percent agree. His jumpiness appears very odd in terms of his beliefs on BBmolla. I disagree with his vote on them as well.

So far I can definitely see why Jones is a suspect, even now. His way of playing seems ambiguous and mysterious and I don't like his jumpiness. I've only gotten through less than half of the thread so I'll continue my notetaking on a bit, I just wanted to see from the beginning how it all began.

[Heavy Anaconda]

@Bepwei - if I'm scum, am I trying to blend in, or am I trying to deepwolf? Because it seems like you're suggesting both in your explanation to Karnage.

Not here to answer for Bepwei. But what do you actually mean by "deepwolf"?

[TheGildedSun]

UNVOTE:

I don't like where my vote is at the moment. I haven't really got into Salsae/Andaconda as the slot posts more later but I don't want to leave my vote there for no reason.

Also: I am just taking notes now and posting them for my understanding, will go into my inferences based off them after.

[BBmolla]

The amished tell is kinda yikes

At work can’t elaborate

[Karnage]

The amished tell is kinda yikes

At work can’t elaborate

don't remember the amished tell and I can't find it on the wiki. I'm guessing its related to them "reading" their predecessor?

[Heavy Anaconda]

I googled it

[Heavy Anaconda]

Every time I reread I just want to tear into Micc again.

Waiting on Guildedsun pick a side. Have you made it to post 100? Was wondering what you thought of that. Also #155.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Bepwei - if I'm scum, am I trying to blend in, or am I trying to deepwolf? Because it seems like you're suggesting both in your explanation to Karnage.

Not here to answer for Bepwei. But what do you actually mean by "deepwolf"?

By deepwolf, I mean trying to drive the game as scum. It's generally the opposite of trying to coast through the game and just not arouse suspicion. Its trying to build cases on people and get town credibility, even though you're mostly pushing mislynches.

For a good example of deepwolfing or power wolfing check out Farkran's play in my last newbie. I think it was 1953. But Farkran got heavily townread early and it continued through.

[Heavy Anaconda]

Ok, I thought it meant like a wolf deep undercover. Bussing or otherwise playing against his win con.

[Arkias]

Waiting on the replacements information.

[Karnage]

Every time I reread I just want to tear into Micc again.

Waiting on Guildedsun pick a side

. Have you made it to post 100? Was wondering what you thought of that. Also #155.

What are the "sides" she's choosing from?

[skitter30]

Vote Count 1.6

thegildedsun (4) ~

billy pilgrim, micc, gyro zeppeli, arkias

billy pilgrim (2) ~

heavy anaconda, bepwei

bepwei (1) ~

karnage

Not voting (2) ~

bbmolla, thegildedsun

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-15 09:00:00)

mod notes:

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[Heavy Anaconda]

My side or his side is what I pretty much meant.
"I want you to take a stance on current issues" would be a better answer

[Billy Pilgrim]

@GildedSun, we are less than two days from deadline atm. When should your catchup be done?

[TheGildedSun]

I'm planning on it during study hall today which is in about an hour and forty-five minutes. I have MUN every Tuesday so I was busy last night and then I went to sleep so I didn't have any more time yesterday, my apologies. Expect my activity soon though.

[bepwei]

@Bepwei - if I'm scum, am I trying to blend in, or am I trying to deepwolf? Because it seems like you're suggesting both in your explanation to Karnage.

I am not familiar to the term deep wolf, but from the definition you gave below, I would say almost both... you’re trying to deepwolf. You’re trying too hard (imo) to get people on your side. So you’re deep wolfing to blend in if that makes sense. Sorry for my lack of the correct terms. Let me know if you need more clarification.

[TheGildedSun]

I find it odd how Billy was defending Jones on Pg 5. (Saying he liked his 99, his 100 didn't sound scummy.. Will keep in mind.)

The bandwagon on Jones on page 7... Started by Billy, followed by BBmolla, Micc
Arkias is confused by the vote on Jones..
Anaconda replaced Salsae and is against the wagon.
Bepwei follows Anaconda's vote on Billy.
Gyro follows the Jones vote with very little input. Arkias votes him too.

General opinions on players.

Karnage
Salsae/Anaconda
Gyro

BBmolla
Bep

wei
Billy Pilgrim
Ar

kias
Micc

My slot is definitely in a tough spot and I'm not so sure what else I can do. I'll just leave some of my own thoughts for after I am lynched. Unless a claim would be helpful? I'm a newer player so I've never experienced a claim in any forum mafia games I've played so I'm not so sure on the policy of those.

I do disagree with a lot of my predecessor's claims and posts.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Gilded - why is Micc your top scumread?

[Karnage]

My slot is definitely in a tough spot and I'm not so sure what else I can do. I'll just leave some of my own thoughts for after I am lynched. Unless a claim would be helpful? I'm a newer player so I've never experienced a claim in any forum mafia games I've played so I'm not so sure on the policy of those.

generally, you shouldn't claim your role unless you are at L-1 and someone has stated their intent to hammer

[TheGildedSun]

@Gilded - why is Micc your top scumread?

It's a bit flimsy reasoning but Micc seems very manipulative and pushy, agressive, which is usually how experienced scum plays. He's kind of the leader of everyone's consensus and it makes me feel a bit uneasy.

It's not enough for me to place a vote, though. It's not really because he clashed so hard against Jones, either. If I didn't know the slot was town then I totally would of suspected him as well. He was acting very sketchy and jumping his opinions around, especially with BBmolla.