Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Menalque]

Either way I think I need at least a couple of days to put distance between me and that to have any chance of a semi-objective reread

[Datisi]

Mena are you caught up? What's the opinion on other slots (other than the PoE)? Can you answer me your reasons for hard TRing Luca at the time you did?

[Menalque]

Yeah I’m caught up

I don’t really know what you’re asking me in terms of other than the PoE?

Almidia makes sense as scum with wimpy!sucm I think, possibly outside of that too but less likely to be scum

Wicked hasn’t done anything strongly AI

Aldu hasn’t done anything strongly AI

[Menalque]

Lemme double check for Luca, hang on

[Alduskkel]

Alimdia has a towny mindset and is the first to join the townbloc.

Posts like 97, 104, 119 (defusing the situation) are very good takes.

I enjoy the 616 obv callout of scum!Dat and scum!Menal powerwolfing the crap out of this early game, but that's a highly unlikely scenario. Knowing both of these players, I think they would take it a lot slower. That doesn't take away I think Menal could be scum here (just not together with Dat), for pushing something in REALLLY terrible faith

Datisi if it helps these are the specific Ico points I agree with.

[Datisi]

I also dislike how Luca dodged alimdia's accusations in 887.

Amen brother

i'm with Datisi on this one. How are you supporting a push on Luca when you put it in your town(ish) pile very recently?

it would help me more if you told me how you see this as NAI?

[Datisi]

Also 97 makes me more irritated every time I read it

Mabye it's not as AI as I thought

but damn

[Menalque]

The whole '

I've done nothing to warrant a scumread on me

' line is the very essence of why I'm currently scumreading you.

You don't necessarily need concrete reasons to scumread or vote someone - that is a myth. The whole game for scum is to not do scummy things, therefore it's usually what they're not doing that you need to pick up on.

You're seeming like scum who feel they've been caught unfairly/by poor reasoning.

I'm voting for this guy just because of this....

VOTE: emps

Why are you not voting the player who lied and has clogged the game up pushing that lie?

The thread is becoming so clogged full of spam I'm losing track of what the exact arguments are.

What was the lie that Menalque has been pushing?

The whole '

I've done nothing to warrant a scumread on me

' line is the very essence of why I'm currently scumreading you.

You don't necessarily need concrete reasons to scumread or vote someone - that is a myth. The whole game for scum is to not do scummy things, therefore it's usually what they're not doing that you need to pick up on.

You're seeming like scum who feel they've been caught unfairly/by poor reasoning.

So you have an illogical reason to scum read me because I have literally not done anything to warrant a scum read.

I disagree.

Can you point out where Menalque lied, please?

Ok, I don't really agree with the argument of either side here - they are both a little on the pedantic side, but what I think is more important it the result of these arguments.

Menalque has been relentlessly pushing his scumread in a way which he might not have had the cause to do so early on as scum, and has done so in a way which reads as genuinely frustrated and believing in his read.

Wimpy on the other hand reads like caught scum who are desperately trying to wriggle free, and then get so far entrenched that they feel they have to commit to their counter-vote. I don't believe Wimpy's confidence in his scumread/s as much as I believe Menalque's.

Thought all of this was town in how he was approaching wimpy!slot and in his reasons for SRing the wimpy defence

I didn’t lie and I liked him trying to get wimpy to clarify that too

Finally although there’s mild equity with scum!wimpy and it very mildly pings me that he said more than once that wimpy he thought had good chances of being scum, he didn’t vote him, I think scum is somewhat more likely to get on there if it’s a buddy

If wimpy is town I think it’s much more likely that scum was avoiding things and letting town eat itself which brings things back to some combination of (wicked, aldu, almi)

[Datisi]

I don’t really know what you’re asking me in terms of other than the PoE?

Ehhh, I dunno, to join the discussion I guess?

Like I appreciate the PoE but it doesn't help that much getting closer to a lynch you feel

[Menalque]

97 is badposting but in a way that I think makes more sense as town unless scum with wimpy trying to chainsaw

[Menalque]

I’m kind of happier just reading the discussion and stepping back for a minute right now

I feel genuinely bad about my behaviour and I don’t really wanna be here that much atm

[popsofctown]

Glad to hear Menalque is town IRL

[Menalque]

Plus I feel p good about the PoE and trust pops to hopefully townspew if wimpy was town all along

You’re town, Luca is town

Emps is prob town, and icon is town apart from in some quite specific teams like (Icon, pops) or (Icon, almi) I think

[Datisi]

That's understandable

I'm not really happy either

pedit: trust pops to townspew?

[Menalque]

I would still like icon to explain his exact progression on me though

Like what point did you flip to the TR and what exactly prompted that as you were catching up?

[Menalque]

I think pops will probably make it relatively clear if wimpy!slot is town after all and honestly I’m starting to feel that way even if I don’t have good reasons to

I need to reread it but again I’m not really ready to do that yet

If pops is town, then the PoE is good I think

[Datisi]

The PoE of 3 players would be great but I really doubt it's that easy

What's up with the "strong" emps TR?

[Alduskkel]

I also dislike how Luca dodged alimdia's accusations in 887.

Amen brother

i'm with Datisi on this one. How are you supporting a push on Luca when you put it in your town(ish) pile very recently?

it would help me more if you told me how you see this as NAI?

Because alimdia wasn't townreading Luca, it only kinda looked that way because of the way ali's reads post was formatted.

Menalque, can you read what I've said about Luca recently, and tell me what you think?

[Menalque]

Emps is just kind of doing too much stuff to be scum coasting but not enough to be scum powerwolfing and idk if I’ve ever seen him be scum outside of that range

Why are you sceptical of the PoE?

[Menalque]

Also I think scum!pops is different to town!pops in a couple of ways I don’t really wanna elaborate on

But like read her in death list vs 1953 or AvP and I think it’s distinguishable

[Datisi]

I really doubt it's that easy

[Datisi]

Because alimdia wasn't townreading Luca, it only kinda looked that way because of the way ali's reads post was formatted.

Me and Icon made that point in 899.
You posted your readslist in 909.
Alimdia explained the "not actually TRing Luca" thing in 916.

[Menalque]

@aldu idk it just feels reachy

I don’t think I would have responded to the allegations that almi was making either, and I think Luca was reading more like cautious town than cautious scum

Plus I really think his reasons for talking about wimpy!scum were good and made sense given the time and context he made them

[Menalque]

I really doubt it's that easy

But like

Why?

[Alduskkel]

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion