Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Menalque]

Also tbh it’s not even been that easy, it was a fucking horrible first 20-something pages that shouldn’t have happened and I accept being at fault for, but which on the other hand gave me pretty solid reads I think on you, Luca, emps, and icon

If those reads are right and wimpy!slot isn’t actually scum then the upside is I think the PoE coming out of that shitfest is quite good

[Datisi]

I really doubt it's that easy

But like

Why?

I'm not saying it's been easy, I'm saying that generally whenever I've had like a "good" PoE Day 1 and a sweet Townblocc

it turned out over half my reads were v wrong

so I'm trying to not delude myself into thinking "oh yeah lol the game is basically solved"

[popsofctown]

Also I think scum!pops is different to town!pops in a couple of ways I don’t really wanna elaborate on

But like read her in death list vs 1953 or AvP and I think it’s distinguishable

who would spectate death list? Are you Azuresky?

[Menalque]

Like I really don’t see scum necessarily feeling the need to insert themselves into that when it looked like there was no way either of us were getting untunnelled and people weren’t reading it that strongly as TvT

I mean from scum!pov I think it makes more sense to let that train wreck run and stay out of it all, let one person lynch the other, then either go for the winner as your D2 mislynch (hopefully allowing someone else to lead it so they’re the D3 target) or to let that person have another go the next day

Like let’s say I’d powerlynched winpy and then led another mislynch D2. I think it’s relatively unlikely that I avoid the game losing mislynch D3 in the situation, do as long as I’m not on scum as my D2 read then they can just let things unfold which is what I think was going on

[Menalque]

I didn’t spectate it exactly but I’d thought about playing in it and I read some when it was getting toward the end of the game + some at the beginning

[Menalque]

Plus it overlapped with Ali v Pine and you were in it so I read a bit for that

[popsofctown]

If anyone goes and joins the magia Mini Theme on the verge of getting pulled I will

sheep them

do nothing in return because I don't abuse OoG. The setup and playerlist look cool though.

[Menalque]

If I weren’t so perilously close to being overgamed again I would pops

[popsofctown]

Can we please not call alimdia "Ali" I keep thinking Alisae is in this game.

[Menalque]

I’m calling them almi

[Menalque]

When are you gonna get drunk and post pictures of your cats

[popsofctown]

=
The more I look at this post the more the hypocrisy burns a hole in it.

Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell

[Menalque]

Also, @dats — if two people in the PoE die and it doesn’t flip scum, sure, we fucked up

But I think the reasons for thinking the PoE is good are solid so I don’t see the need to overthink it unless proven otherwise, in which case there will v likely be enough info to find where the scum actually are

Plus I think I consistently find scum on D1 so I also just sort of trust myself to be >avg right that the PoE has scum even if I don’t know who’s most likely yet

[popsofctown]

When are you gonna get drunk and post pictures of your cats

Not sure

[Menalque]

Pops who do you think scum is?

[popsofctown]

I have one more page to read then I'm gonna megapost my read on the gamestate

[Menalque]

Okay cool

[popsofctown]

alimdia - I find this guy scummy. Bad takes, scummy tone, post 97 is indeed an icky post (I actually am lower on Menalque's slot because he promised to low effort but has kind of efforted but alimdia's choice of words was bad). Some posts make me think this can flip town though. It's probable that the hyperpost triad is TvTvT and I got the impression the alimdia slot was cognizant of how bad that was for the game but didn't do much to stop it, in contrast with slots that worked to fix it or were just afk.

Luca Blight - All of his posts have been extremely resonant for me reading this thread with a green PM. Then Datisi posted about how all of his posts are extremely resonant. It's like resonance inception. Positionally I don't see him as scum either, it doesn't seem like he is sawing some partner or pushing a highly viable mislynch.
I actually want to BoP Alduskkel and alimdia to some extent for not arriving at this townread.

Alduskkel - Hasn't made a lot of highly alignment indicative posts, but I'm not fond of the ones that I have to work with.

Iconeum - I'm really confused here, because I felt really convinced about some of dragon's points on Menalque, but Iconeum has since walked it back. The way Wimpy played I think it'd be pretty challenging to get to "there is a 99% chance Wimpy flips town here" unless a big component is high scum equity in Menalque and zero partner equity in Wimpy, so how did such a strong read flip? I say confused instead convinced here because I townread Iconeum's tone and logical progressions but this is really bad positional-wise (I think people can tell Menalque is unlikely to be lynched this day phase) so maybe I should respect dragon's range on those things.

Datisi - This slot is town. Her contributions to an imbalanced gamestate seem inadvertent and passion-driven, and her scumread on Wimpy seems genuine. So fmpov I have the hyperpost trio at 0-1 scum because Menalque is a maybe for me.

emps - I mistakenly scumread emps last game I played with him but I'm once again not happy with him. His iso is a mixture of fluff and light or at most moderate shading on the Wimpy slot. It doesn't correct the problem with the first half of this game's gamestate, it contributes to it, and in Datisi and town!Menalque's case that comes from genuinely thinking Wimpy is a red flip and wanting to break his neck, but in emps case it seems like filling a content quota, especially when he shades stuff that has already been shaded. Admittedly he wouldn't know that if he's using the catchup methodology he's claimed, but I think town!emps could make a better guess about whether it was going to be productive

pops/Wimpy - I think it's uphill to correctly read this slot, again it's a double take to me for Iconeum to have done so. There was some self-centric approach to the game that fmpov must be a flaw with the way Wimpy approaches all his games but without the role pm is going to be aligned with survivalism which is a valid scumtell.
The one thing I would point out to rereaders is that there are some cases of genuine confirmation bias in his logical progressions, and confirmation bias is town indicative (that might not do anything for you if you don't subscribe to that newsletter, I guess). There's such a thing as locking into a tunneled stance as scum because it's safe which has the same lack of transitions as confirmation bias, but if you look at his posting it looks more like the latter.

wickedjestr - VOTE: wickedjestr His takes are bad. But what is worse than how I disagree with the reads is how he hardly has any reads. There has been so much stuff in this game, so the emptiness of his posting is very concerning. You should walk away from the trio hyperposting fiasco with SOME kind of medium or strong read. At a bare minimum something like "I don't know what any of these people are, but these two are never scum together". There's nothing wrong with playing an ms.net game on your lunch breaks and not matching Datisi's hyperposting, but even a less active slot should be expected to have read strength here, Iconeum entering the game with a strong position being an example.

Menalque - This is the only member of the trio who could be scum, I think. His battles with the Wimpy slot sometimes felt, how to say it, more like pushing than sorting. He's made a couple posts I townread on tone, too, though. A lot of Menalque's push on Wimpy came off like "lynch this person I dislike" rather than "lynch this person who is definitely playing to the scum win condition". If I can try out the fancy perspective slip buzzword, spending time considering whether Wimpy is a weak player as town rather than a weak player as scum seems like a potential perspective slip. It'd make Menalque a weak player too unless he tends to blame mislynch victims for mislynches and as far as I know he doesn't, moreso than anyone else does. I'm pretty optimistic about my ability to read this slot if I get several game days with him.

[popsofctown]

So like
Datisi
Luca Blight

Iconeum
Alduskkel
Menalque

alimdia
emps

wickedjestr

[Menalque]

intent

[popsofctown]

I think that's L-2?

[Datisi]

Yeah, Luca unvoted earlier

[Menalque]

I missed the Luca unvote

[Menalque]

Or change I guess technically

[Wickedestjr]

Welcome popsofctown! Please add me to your '08 neighborhood PT.

I'm caught up, I'll be responding and commenting soon.