Newbie 1966: History [GAME OVER]

[Thespio]

Update

Vote Count

Jake The Wolfie:

Jocus Aevorum, LoserdudeOG, Moonchild [L-2]

Jocus Aevorum:

Yimmy, PyroDerma

Moonchild:

Dunnstral

Yimmy:

EspeciallyTheLies

LoserdudeOG:

Jake The Wolfie

No Vote:

SausasaurusRex

With 9 people it takes 5 to lynch

Day will end when the timer below hits zero:
(expired on 2019-11-22 18:50:36)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Can ThesaurusRex be more active? It's hard to progress the game when not everyone is participating.

[Jocus Aevorum]

Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

This is a reason, is it not?

[Jocus Aevorum]

Can ThesaurusRex be more active? It's hard to progress the game when not everyone is participating.

Check his location; he's probably sleeping right now.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

This is a reason, is it not?

Lie to me right now and say that that's not what the argument is or relates to.

[Yimmy]

VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

Since nothing else is happening, is there some history I'm not bothered to read up on, or is this just a random vote?

Isn't this a serious question?

Isn't this a complaint?

jake completely ignored this question and jocus didn't acknowledge that jake ignored it, and both of those things irritate me.

And then to have Yimmy come to his rescue out of nowhere, just kind of smells of scumbuddies.

I neither said that Jake was town nor that his first posts were town indicative (I think they're entirely null). I do think they're far from scum indicative because I think asking questions, forced or "overreactions" as they may be is the best way out of RVS by a mile, and to suspect someone for pushing out of RVS is absolutely silly. Perhaps I'm mistaken because of my long absence though. How should we escape RVS without forced questions?

Quick transition from defending each other to a conflict is a concern.

Where did Jake defend me? Where did I oppose Jake? Or are you referring to someone else?

Seeing Jocus while going back through the thread he seems to continually attack jake at any opportunity he gets even going back to his old game to try and get us to believe him.

I think Jocus is aggressive af, but town

That’s why I think he has an important town role because he is very vocal about what he thinks.

Why are you PR hunting?

I think the Scum team is most likely LoserdudeOG/Focus Aevorum

Can you elaborate on both of these? Both of these just look like OMGUS as it is.

that's the response portion. onto reads and such

EspeciallyTheLies: slight town. He's scumhunting prominently and asking good questions without any fluff, and his logic is sound and doesn't seem to have an agenda. 72 and 78 give me some pause though. Basically telling Jake what to think and then that he likes him looks a little manipulative.

Jocum: very slight town. He looks to be scumhunting and isn't afraid to share his thoughts, but on the other hand he's only scumhunting Jake. Such tunneling from page 1 would be silly for scum to do, so I'll put him at town for now. Would you share some thoughts about anybody's alignment besides Jake?

Pyro: null. His last post was hardly out of RVS but the promise of iso's gives me hope. I eagerly await it

Dunnstral: null. please post. you've only posted once since RVS and it was one sentence :/

Loserdude: null. He looks to be scumhunting and thinking in a pro-town manner, but then puts Jake (who he has not voiced any suspicions of) at L-2 for no explained reason. Why did vote for Jake?

SausasaurusRex: null. His only non-RVS post is just a reiteration of somebody elses post, but he isn't posting enough that it seems he's trying to look like town. don't want to give a pass on lurking, though. post more

Jake: slight scum. He's the noisiest by quite a bit, but he hasn't shared any thoughts (like reads or disagreements) unless specifically questioned or under heavy pressure (l-2), just questions, defense, and telling other people to post thoughts. Looks like scum trying to be proactive without the effort or risk of faking opinions. (his first two posts are still null though) Might I ask you for a full readslist with reasoning?

Moonchild: scum. 27 to 30 is odd. 27 voices suspicion/concern at some people's behavior (without naming names for some reason), but immediately after in 30 she says she wouldn't suspect anyone. And then in 82 she happily voices suspicion on Jake (a wagon that's already gained steam) and

me

(later corrected to Jocum) with very little to back that up. And then she later in 100 goes on to say that she thinks Jocum's a PR and not scum, implying both PR hunting (town doesn't want to out a PR and get them killed) and arbitrary read changes. Just overall seems scared to accuse anybody of being scum, which would make a lot more sense if she herself was scum Could you please elaborate on your scumreads, and also tell me when and why you changed from thinking Jocum was scum to thinking he was a PR?
Regarding the townslip: I feel like I vaguely remember from my time here three years ago that newbies are prone to trying to fake townslips. idk if this is accurate at all though, please correct me if I'm wrong.

good night

[Moonchild]

VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

Since nothing else is happening, is there some history I'm not bothered to read up on, or is this just a random vote?

Isn't this a serious question?

Isn't this a complaint?

jake completely ignored this question and jocus didn't acknowledge that jake ignored it, and both of those things irritate me.

And then to have Yimmy come to his rescue out of nowhere, just kind of smells of scumbuddies.

I neither said that Jake was town nor that his first posts were town indicative (I think they're entirely null). I do think they're far from scum indicative because I think asking questions, forced or "overreactions" as they may be is the best way out of RVS by a mile, and to suspect someone for pushing out of RVS is absolutely silly. Perhaps I'm mistaken because of my long absence though. How should we escape RVS without forced questions?

Quick transition from defending each other to a conflict is a concern.

Where did Jake defend me? Where did I oppose Jake? Or are you referring to someone else?

Seeing Jocus while going back through the thread he seems to continually attack jake at any opportunity he gets even going back to his old game to try and get us to believe him.

I think Jocus is aggressive af, but town

That’s why I think he has an important town role because he is very vocal about what he thinks.

Why are you PR hunting?

I think the Scum team is most likely LoserdudeOG/Focus Aevorum

Can you elaborate on both of these? Both of these just look like OMGUS as it is.

that's the response portion. onto reads and such

EspeciallyTheLies: slight town. He's scumhunting prominently and asking good questions without any fluff, and his logic is sound and doesn't seem to have an agenda. 72 and 78 give me some pause though. Basically telling Jake what to think and then that he likes him looks a little manipulative.

Jocum: very slight town. He looks to be scumhunting and isn't afraid to share his thoughts, but on the other hand he's only scumhunting Jake. Such tunneling from page 1 would be silly for scum to do, so I'll put him at town for now. Would you share some thoughts about anybody's alignment besides Jake?

Pyro: null. His last post was hardly out of RVS but the promise of iso's gives me hope. I eagerly await it

Dunnstral: null. please post. you've only posted once since RVS and it was one sentence :/

Loserdude: null. He looks to be scumhunting and thinking in a pro-town manner, but then puts Jake (who he has not voiced any suspicions of) at L-2 for no explained reason. Why did vote for Jake?

SausasaurusRex: null. His only non-RVS post is just a reiteration of somebody elses post, but he isn't posting enough that it seems he's trying to look like town. don't want to give a pass on lurking, though. post more

Jake: slight scum. He's the noisiest by quite a bit, but he hasn't shared any thoughts (like reads or disagreements) unless specifically questioned or under heavy pressure (l-2), just questions, defense, and telling other people to post thoughts. Looks like scum trying to be proactive without the effort or risk of faking opinions. (his first two posts are still null though) Might I ask you for a full readslist with reasoning?

Moonchild: scum. 27 to 30 is odd. 27 voices suspicion/concern at some people's behavior (without naming names for some reason), but immediately after in 30 she says she wouldn't suspect anyone. And then in 82 she happily voices suspicion on Jake (a wagon that's already gained steam) and

me

(later corrected to Jocum) with very little to back that up. And then she later in 100 goes on to say that she thinks Jocum's a PR and not scum, implying both PR hunting (town doesn't want to out a PR and get them killed) and arbitrary read changes. Just overall seems scared to accuse anybody of being scum, which would make a lot more sense if she herself was scum Could you please elaborate on your scumreads, and also tell me when and why you changed from thinking Jocum was scum to thinking he was a PR?
Regarding the townslip: I feel like I vaguely remember from my time here three years ago that newbies are prone to trying to fake townslips. idk if this is accurate at all though, please correct me if I'm wrong.

good night

To be honestly I’m winging this I never knew this website existed till a few days ago, can you please tell me what PR hunting is?

[Yimmy]

A strong town role (more specifically anything besides vanilla townie or mafia goon) is referred to as a power role, or pr for short. So pr hunting is searching for strong town roles

[Moonchild]

A strong town role (more specifically anything besides vanilla townie or mafia goon) is referred to as a power role, or pr for short. So pr hunting is searching for strong town roles

Thank you now I understand why people were taking my actions negatively

[Yimmy]

upon further thought: while voicing who you think is a pr is absolutely not good town play, it would also be poor scum play. everything else still stands, though.

[Moonchild]

Okay so I was looking at other mafia games and should we start asking questions cause at the moment we aren’t getting anywhere.

[SausasaurusRex]

Sorry for not posting much guys. I’m in a different time zone to most of you, so I’m asleep while most of the discussion happens. I’ve been reading through the thread, and have come to the conclusion Jake is scum (and possibly Yimmy too), for the following reasons:

Jake was defended by Yimmy for seemingly no reason, despite Yimmy having no reason to know he’s town. The only good reason they would have to defend each other is if they are both scumbuddies. However, Yimmy has produced good reads, whilst Jake has just made arguments that don’t reallly make sense. As a result of this:

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

However, I would also be open to a moonchild vote. He hasn’t made any good arguments (I think), and does things that are bad for the town. However, I would understand this just being him not knowing what to do during his first game.

Apologies if I got anything wrong, I’m on mobile.

[SausasaurusRex]

Just realised -

This is L-1

[Moonchild]

I am her* btw

[SausasaurusRex]

Ah, my apologies, I must have misread that.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

72 and 78 give me some pause though. Basically telling Jake what to think and then that he likes him looks a little manipulative.

It definitely was manipulative, but it wasn't meant to actually make him do anything. It was more of a way to interact with him and see his reactions, and when he caved I thought it was hilarious.

Moonchild: scum.

So you don't think she townslipped in post 32?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Just realised -

This is L-1

Too early for this in my opinion. We've essentially only pressured one person. Flipping him now, even if he is mafia, yields minimal information, and only about ONE wagon. By the end of Day One, we ideally want at least a few different wagons to analyze. We still have several days left in this day phase. The benefit of being able to review multiple VCAs with multiple wagons is that you can compare behavior across the board between players, giving you a much more well-rounded perspective on the game.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I feel like saus is just phoning it in. why?

[SausasaurusRex]

Just realised -

This is L-1

Too early for this in my opinion. We've essentially only pressured one person. Flipping him now, even if he is mafia, yields minimal information, and only about ONE wagon. By the end of Day One, we ideally want at least a few different wagons to analyze. We still have several days left in this day phase. The benefit of being able to review multiple VCAs with multiple wagons is that you can compare behavior across the board between players, giving you a much more well-rounded perspective on the game.

That’s a good point, I do want to pressure some more people before the day ends. I’ll begin with a

VOTE: moonchild

It may just have been not knowing how the game works, but I want to hear a little more from her before the day ends.

[SausasaurusRex]

Also, @especiallyTheLies, what did you mean by “phoning it in”?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Also, @especiallyTheLies, what did you mean by “phoning it in”?

"To perform a role or duty in a halfhearted, disinterested, and unprofessional manner."

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I'm gonna need some serious cases from the people voting moonchild to be honest. She's my top townread.

[SausasaurusRex]

You must have misinterpreted my post. I didn’t mean to come across disinterested, this is my only game of mafia currently happening, and I really enjoy mafia. I just felt most of what I would say had already been said, and there was no point in repeating it.

[SausasaurusRex]

My reason voting Moonchild was to get her to try to speak a bit more. Her argument for voting Jake wasn’t great (“he’s been quite aggressive”), but goes on to describe Jocus’s aggressiveness as being “very vocal”, and making her think he is a PR. Even if we ignore that, simply saying someone is PR is detrimental to the town, unless you’re trying to lead scum away from killing you during the night, which I doubt Moonchild has the experience to think about doing.

Besides, I don’t expect the vote to really go anywhere, I just want some explanations for this behaviour.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

It just seems like you don't really care where your vote goes or what's actually happening. You can say it's because you want answers but you need to interact with her, which I haven't seen much of. Do you have no suspicions anywhere?