Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[emps]

aaaanywho, i still wanna lynch wicked at this point

who's against this anyway?

uh

me

also @Aldu
when you get the chance a basic readslist with an explanation or two would be gucci
k thx

Town:
alimdia -- for reasons I've said before, and I mostly agree with Ico's points on him (and anything I don't agree with I just think is null).
Ico -- Ico's been making a lot of sense. The progression of the read on Menalque is natural, and I like the poking at Wicked.
Menalque -- the earlier tunneling and the later "oh crap was I tunneling" seem town to me, I've had similar experiences. I'm still looking forward to more content on non-Wimpy stuff, though.
Datisi -- kinda like a towner version of Menalque. Posted a lot but a good variety, not just on Wimpy.
emps -- lot of posting, not a lot of content. When he came in with post 599 and saying "i honestly have no fucking clue what my reads are tbh" that seemed town to me. I think scum would most likely push Wimpy or Menalque, rather than risk appearing wishy-washy. Leaning town, but still close to null.

Scum:
Wimpy -- pretty much what I've said before. Although the fact that he straight up replaced out makes me think his behavior wasn't as alignment indicative as I thought.
Luca -- too much on the sidelines, too much pushing the popular wagons. Probably not scum with Wimpy or Wicked.
Wicked -- see my previous post.

wicked read is ??? but i should check previous post
luca weird is read, dont think hes been on the sidelines tbh and he hasnt just been pushing the popular wagons
why is mena above datisi if datisi is literally townier mena to u
alimidia being that high is also weird to me, ill check back ur reasoning in a bit

Remind me to talk about something after emps catches up/gives reasons for his reads and stuff

K thx

reminder

Icon - parks vote on Mena for a while but steps out of the shitshow soon after and one of the first to start hunting elsewhere
Datisi - excluding the war with Wimpy, questions are on point, looks like genuinely scum hunting. I'm ignoring the 'out of scum zone' comments as thats NAI
Mena - Re-read Mena a bit, To be fair, Mena admitting that it was 65% is probably a point in their favor, but I still don't like the way they tunneled each other, basically taking control of the thread.

Luca - everytime someone town reads me, he undermines it (604, 793). Ppl TR'in me: (683, 690, 692). I feel like he is afraid of me becoming a somewhat universal town read , along with some other somewhat universal town reads like Datisi, Icon and to a lesser extent: Mena, and thus being eventually outed in POE.

Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.
Wicked - Icon's 867 brings up a good point. I'm willing to jump on that wagon if nobody thinks Emps deserves a wagon here.
Emps - lots of fluff post to look like they're contributing, over multiple days.
Emps - enough said
Emps - enough said
Scum

Null: Adlu - hasn't posted much, other than a slightly town read on me

I'm a little confused why I'm so high up your list when everything you said about me was negative.

Maybe its because I listed Emps three times?
I didn't c/p Wimpy out to the null group, my bad though. So you are 4th out of 6 people, not really that high.

I mean
If Wimpy is where the "null line" is
then Luca is still in your Town pile according to that?

The corrected list is the following with dups and nulls removed
Town
Icon
Datisi
Mena
Luca
Wicked
Emps
Scum

As you can see, Luca is not in the town pile. Also I rarely have more than 1-2 solid town reads. In this case those would be Icon and Datisi.

ok so apparently wimpy just doesnt exist now

[emps]

oh hi pops

[emps]

"luca weird is read"

fuck me basic english is hard ok

[emps]

oh boy the posts abt "being above the null line is leaning town!!!" are why i always label my stuff lol

[Luca Blight]

I now think Pops is probably town looking at her reads list in 1017.

Thinking about it, I can see her point about Wimpy's confbias. It's probably unlikely that scum would continue to dig themselves a hole like he did instead of looking to take a breather/step back, especially when offered the chance. Her take on the game seems to generally reflect my own as well.

[Luca Blight]

oh boy the posts abt "being above the null line is leaning town!!!" are why i always label my stuff lol

I agree with this - it's a misunderstanding that could easily be avoided, and it now looks like he's backpedaling/making it up as he goes along as a result.

I'm leaning slightly Town on Alim atm, though - the way he openly challenged me and then switched straight to you had a genuine feel about it.

[Luca Blight]

Wicked now has all these problems with Menalque’s earlier approach, so why didn’t he make any mention of his grievances at the time? He’s only basically repeating what Icon said regarding Menalque, but the difference is that Icon had no chance to intervene while Wicked did.

I believe he also said he didn’t see anything else that needed commenting on at the time.

He has all these problems with Menalque’s approach, so your think he would have said something at least.

This is not entirely true. See the bottom of my 818 - I briefly mentioned a few things that I would have spoken about regarding Mena if I had had the time.

I'll admit that Menalque wasn't necessarily a scum read at the point in time that I posted two days ago, but what is the scum motive for me to 'suddenly have all these problems with Menalque' ? If I'm scum, then basically you're saying I waited until everyone had posted and then decided I wanted to scumread Menalque after it became clear that that wasn't a popular opinion anyway? Iconeum is the only person that seemed to share that viewpoint.

It was a much more popular/acceptable opinion when you voted Menalque than it was when you popped into the thread to ask Wimpy about his experience.

There can be plenty of motive as scum to suspect/vote Menalque when you did.

I don’t really like Wicked’s subtle shading of Datisi, feels like he’s nitpicking at things to create doubts over the slot while still aligning with the popular opinion.

I just explained this a little bit more in my last post. If I have a slight town read on someone but also have a couple slight reservations, then how am I supposed to handle that? Keep the reservations to myself? Calling people out for 'shading' seems to be one of the new trends in site meta that I'm not a big fan of.

The reservations felt more like nitpicking to me, and there is the obvious scum motive (as Alim keeps talking about) of wanting to create doubt about an obviously townread player. It felt like the only reason that paragraph on Datisi existed was to create a grain of doubt in the back of people's minds about her, and I didn't feel it was warranted based on the things you highlighted.

[emps]

also @Aldu
when you get the chance a basic readslist with an explanation or two would be gucci
k thx

Town:
alimdia -- for reasons I've said before, and I mostly agree with Ico's points on him (and anything I don't agree with I just think is null).
Ico -- Ico's been making a lot of sense. The progression of the read on Menalque is natural, and I like the poking at Wicked.
Menalque -- the earlier tunneling and the later "oh crap was I tunneling" seem town to me, I've had similar experiences. I'm still looking forward to more content on non-Wimpy stuff, though.
Datisi -- kinda like a towner version of Menalque. Posted a lot but a good variety, not just on Wimpy.
emps -- lot of posting, not a lot of content. When he came in with post 599 and saying "i honestly have no fucking clue what my reads are tbh" that seemed town to me. I think scum would most likely push Wimpy or Menalque, rather than risk appearing wishy-washy. Leaning town, but still close to null.

Scum:
Wimpy -- pretty much what I've said before. Although the fact that he straight up replaced out makes me think his behavior wasn't as alignment indicative as I thought.
Luca -- too much on the sidelines, too much pushing the popular wagons. Probably not scum with Wimpy or Wicked.
Wicked -- see my previous post.

The more I look at this post the more the hypocrisy burns a hole in it.

He says I’m scummy for pushing Wimpy and Wicked, but look who’s in his scumpool. How can he suspect me for having similar reads to him? That is not a mindset that makes sense. I also feel like he’s buddying Icon, and his emps townread doesn’t make sense given emps actually pushed Wimpy as much as I did. It also feels like he’s opportunistically positioning to jump on Wicked while shading me as the one ‘pushing main wagons from the sidelines’.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Aldu

wait what i totally pushed wimpy lol im voting him rn as well

I was getting to it Datisi

I'm confused too, alimdia
Because I get the feeling that Luca & I have taken very similar stances on you
+ I've actively pushed you out of the Townbloc when Icon was trying to get you in

Why do I get to be the "genuine scumhunter" but Luca is "afraid of being outed in the PoE"?

I had a townread on you, I think before post 587. The top reasons are your interactions with Mena and the way you've been talking (also known as tone/my gut) I'm not really going to dig up the 20 pages again because my head hurts when I read through it.
When you were 'actively pushing me out of the townblock' when Icon said we're not lynching alimdia today, the fact of the matter is that you are an (almost) global townread, while Luca is not. You don't have any nefarious motives in trying to push me in or out of the townblock.
However, Luca is not a global townread, far from it. As such, he is potentially afraid of being outed via PoE. That's the way it looks like to me

ok so for some reason scum in the townblock has no motive to push town out of said townblock?

Town:
alimdia -- for reasons I've said before, and I mostly agree with Ico's points on him (and anything I don't agree with I just think is null).

Also this. What is this.

The only time he's even brought up alimdia was here:

Spoiler:

@Wicked @Luca, you guys should un-vote your RVS's when you get back

@Wicked @Luca, you guys should un-vote your RVS's when you get back

This is townposting

I mean I think alimdia is more likely to be town based on him saying that, because scum-alimdia wouldn't vote for emps and then ask other people on the same wagon to move their votes.

A bit of a stretch to call this "reasons" I think.

Also that "I agree with whatever Ico's said except the things I don't which I think is null". I almost want to give this Townpoints purely on the fact that scum would be more self-aware as to not write something like that. But I've learned my lesson in doing that.

what these are the reasons he has for his strongest tr lmao

[emps]

ugh ill finish the rest of my catchup later

[Luca Blight]

@emps

, I know you pushed Wimpy. Aldu was townreading you for

not

pushing Wimpy while scumreading me for doing the opposite, so I was pointing out that this doesn't make sense as you literally pushed Wimpy more than I did.

Since then Aldu has changed his tune and said he townreads emps because he pushed Wimpy while being comfortable in the spotlight, which is contradictory to what he said before and shows he's making it up as he goes along.

[alimdia]

Lmao anyone that TR's me feels forced and unnatural. So are you saying there is 4 scum of (me, Icon, Aldu and Wicked)?

No, I'm not saying that at all.

I Townread Icon for a start, and I'm not sure what his current read of you is. I haven't yet looked over Wicked's reason for townreading you, but Aldu's does feel rushed for the reasons given.

As for you, I'm still not sure exactly about you - you need to understand that me questioning other players' read on you is as much about me figuring out their alignment as yours. The game doesn't revolve around you.

Well the game revolves 1/9th around me.
So here are the possibilities
1) im town and 3 people are TRing me. Those 3 ppl are either 3T, 2T1S, 1T2S. Either way there is at least 1T townreading me. As of this post I feel like you think I'm scum so if thats the case lets have a look at #2
2) im scum and 3 people are TRing me. There is max 1 teammate so either 2T1S or 3T. Who's alignments are you actually trying to figure out here?


@emps actually its 3 rl days in

I'm getting newbtown vibes from Ali's recent posts tbh, the way he's judging most things by how it relates to/affects him.

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Join tha wagon too

Does it not seem odd to you that he's suspicious of me yet hasn't voted me? It feels like he's waiting for someone else to make the push first.

not sure if you saw but I did vote for you. Then emps and his reads came in.
Also why are you saying I'm town followed by shading me again (falsely too)

I already explained multiple times my read list. If you're not gonna read I'm not gonna copy and paste


@pops whats tone deaf?

ok so for some reason scum in the townblock has no motive to push town out of said townblock?

I have no idea wtf you are talking about here. Are you saying Datisi is the scum in the townblock? Have you even read everything?

[alimdia]

I'm gonna look at other people like Aldu later. I think I have a blind spot on them as they are agreeing with me.

[Luca Blight]

Lmao anyone that TR's me feels forced and unnatural. So are you saying there is 4 scum of (me, Icon, Aldu and Wicked)?

No, I'm not saying that at all.

I Townread Icon for a start, and I'm not sure what his current read of you is. I haven't yet looked over Wicked's reason for townreading you, but Aldu's does feel rushed for the reasons given.

As for you, I'm still not sure exactly about you - you need to understand that me questioning other players' read on you is as much about me figuring out their alignment as yours. The game doesn't revolve around you.

Well the game revolves 1/9th around me.
So here are the possibilities
1) im town and 3 people are TRing me. Those 3 ppl are either 3T, 2T1S, 1T2S. Either way there is at least 1T townreading me. As of this post I feel like you think I'm scum so if thats the case lets have a look at #2
2) im scum and 3 people are TRing me. There is max 1 teammate so either 2T1S or 3T. Who's alignments are you actually trying to figure out here?

I'm trying to figure out everyone's alignment.

When someone like Aldu who I don't TR, hard TR's someone else who I don't TR for reasons that I don't agree with, I'm going to queston it primarily to figure out the person giving the TR, because inventing reasons to TR people is a thing scum do. Whether or not you could be partners etc is not something I tend to consider pre-flip.

[Luca Blight]

I'm getting newbtown vibes from Ali's recent posts tbh, the way he's judging most things by how it relates to/affects him.

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Join tha wagon too

Does it not seem odd to you that he's suspicious of me yet hasn't voted me? It feels like he's waiting for someone else to make the push first.

not sure if you saw but I did vote for you. Then emps and his reads came in.
Also why are you saying I'm town followed by shading me again (falsely too)

I already explained multiple times my read list. If you're not gonna read I'm not gonna copy and paste

You misread my post, try again.

[alimdia]

I did vote for you? For like...2 posts but yeah. Also I voted you before you said post 1097.

So you saying I haven't voted you is ... false.

The last part of my quote that you quoted was at emps

[Luca Blight]

...I was talking about Aldu not voting me, not you.

[popsofctown]

I'm trying a new wine that's really gross

but Pandora is being nice and giving me licks

[popsofctown]

tone deaf means you can't read the room

I'm just kind of skimming right now

[Luca Blight]

Datisi

Town Read

Icon
...
Pops
Menalque
Alim
----Null line----
emps,Wicked
Aldu

Scum-lean

Revised edition of my reads.

[popsofctown]

you are town but i hope you don't design website layouts or anything please my eyes

[Datisi]

Hm. I was kinda hoping emps would rush in here and push Wicked.

[popsofctown]

Should I pour this out?
It's so bad.
Why would someone want it

[alimdia]

Is Pandora a cat? Because I hate cats since 2 weeks ago ;(

[popsofctown]

You love Pandora.
She is a cat.

[Luca Blight]

Alim, do you understand my post now? And if so, what do you think of it?