Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 4]

Eh. I honestly don't care at this point. I have put more time and energy per real life day into this game than I have in any other game of mafia. And that's more than 7 years of mafia. I feel so solid on this read right now.

Unfortunately playing mafia forever doesnt equate to accurate reads.

Time and energy, on the other hand, does.

And I wasn't saying I felt solid because of my time in mafia, I was saying it because of time and energy, hence sentence structure.

Whats really sad is I honestly thought you and G6 were going to reveal some damning information during the dance and town autowins.

We never got your reads

Yeah. Me too.

[Gentleman 1]

Or, you know, make stupid guesses and ad hoc modifications to support your preconception. Your choice.

Chill hes obviously rereading, despite what he says

I consider the term “rereading” factually incorrect. I am reading the game for the first time. Yes it may be a good term to describe it to you because you have read it, but I have not and from my perspective it is wrong.

That aside, I am really just rather frustrated because I feel like I’ve been painted into a corner where G6 has taken away any sort of attempt to get out of the hole he has put me in. That is probably the real thing that makes me think scum are all against me, this insurmountable wall of vitriol being shoved in my face.

[Gentleman 4]

I followed Gentleman 6's process all the way through the first half of the game. Unfortunately, he stopped having one at a specific point (conveniently the point at which things were going really well for town) and then started hammering wildly at Gentleman 5 for barely any reason whatsoever. He continues to cause chaos into the beginning of the dance, at which point he all of a sudden drops his scum read on Gentleman 5 and then tries to oppose Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 just

barely

enough in order to let them still get lynched, but get town points for when they do. When they fail to get lynched, he tosses teasers out to see if Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 are still up for a lynch, but pretty much gives up, instead going for the second lynch-baitiest pair in the game - Gentleman 1, the man who's always behind.

[Gentleman 5]

Ignoring L8, who else is against you G1?

[Gentleman 4]

There all of a sudden isn't any thought or depth to his reads for some reason, they're opportunistic and they grab at every town point he can get. He refuses to actually share where his reads are at or if there is any sort of path to victory, and yet he confidently proclaims he's presented people with one. He's living off of the sustained belief that he's lock town, established in your minds since early day 1, and he will continue to take advantage of this until he wins.

[Gentleman 4]

For some reason somehow we're supposed to believe that lynching Gentleman 1, the player who still hasn't read the entirety of the game thanks to a significant amount of chaos caused by Gentleman 6 himself is less lynch baity than Gentleman 8, another player who has just completely given up on reading the game whatsoever.

[Gentleman 1]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11380130]post 3644[/url], Gentleman 6"][quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11380119]post 3640[/url], Gentleman 5"]G5 being so matched with me in how we view this makes me feel just that much better about my beliefs. I recall G6 throwing some hate his way as well, so I definitely get the sense the mafia at this point are just {G3, L5, G6}.[/quote]

notice that

scum are both pushing the agenda that i'm scum all of a sudden

because they realize there is no path to endgame without killing me via lynch[/quote]
I think my best defense to this idea is that I took way too long to do anything here. If I were scum do you think I wait until the walls are closing in to start to make my move? No, I act when I see the signs, not just because it serves me better, but because I have more intel gathering potential with my two scumbuddies. Another thing is if I was scum why do I devote myself to catching up in the way I have? As scum I would have avenues out of that problem and I could likely do it without anyone blinking at me doing it.

[Gentleman 6]

I have already named the path to victory.

If I die, kill everyone besides L9/G2 and G3/L6 in any order then kill L9/G2.

If I don't die, I need to plan around when in that order I get rid of myself and L8 to confirm my reads as coming from town, so I'm not giving an immediate path.
This isn't complicated and you trying to portray me as undersharing my reads when I've literally given town enough to win on assuming we flip scum (we will) is amusing.
Just because in some lobbies you can shitcase me and people will vote me because I'm me doesn't mean that actually applies to this game.

best defense to this idea is that I took way too long to do anything here. If I were scum do you think I wait until the walls are closing in to start to make my move? No, I act when I see the signs, not just because it serves me better, but because I have more intel gathering potential with my two scumbuddies. Another thing is if I was scum why do I devote myself to catching up in the way I have? As scum I would have avenues out of that problem and I could likely do it without anyone blinking at me doing it.

This is an empty statement.

[Gentleman 6]

I think that we should lynch G4 first because he's more of a threat to town wincondition and he's also scum.

[Gentleman 6]

I think that we should lynch G4 first because he's more of a threat to town wincondition and he's also scum.

[Gentleman 5]

I followed Gentleman 6's process all the way through the first half of the game. Unfortunately, he stopped having one at a specific point (conveniently the point at which things were going really well for town) and then started hammering wildly at Gentleman 5 for barely any reason whatsoever. He continues to cause chaos into the beginning of the dance, at which point he all of a sudden drops his scum read on Gentleman 5 and then tries to oppose Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 just

barely

enough in order to let them still get lynched, but get town points for when they do. When they fail to get lynched, he tosses teasers out to see if Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 are still up for a lynch, but pretty much gives up, instead going for the second lynch-baitiest pair in the game - Gentleman 1, the man who's always behind.

There all of a sudden isn't any thought or depth to his reads for some reason, they're opportunistic and they grab at every town point he can get. He refuses to actually share where his reads are at or if there is any sort of path to victory, and yet he confidently proclaims he's presented people with one. He's living off of the sustained belief that he's lock town, established in your minds since early day 1, and he will continue to take advantage of this until he wins.

This is all correct. But theres a reason he can do it.

I think most of the players are aware of who he is, and his suicide gambit makes him obvtown I think?

But yes, G6 went off the deep end last weekend when I asked him why he was ignoring me. Im not sure what caused this to happen. Good question to ask postgame

[Gentleman 1]

Ignoring L8, who else is against you G1?

L5 and G6 are the ones I have most noticed, but G3 is there as well. I also remember one other person involved but maybe I just am taking G3 as two distinct people because I wasn’t tracking their movements then.

[Gentleman 4]

I want you or me today, and if I don't get lynched and you flip town, I want Lady 3 to leave.

[Gentleman 6]

Except you can just leave. Why would you say "I want lady 3 to leave" unless you're relying on her refusing to leave when the time comes to it?

[Gentleman 4]

I followed Gentleman 6's process all the way through the first half of the game. Unfortunately, he stopped having one at a specific point (conveniently the point at which things were going really well for town) and then started hammering wildly at Gentleman 5 for barely any reason whatsoever. He continues to cause chaos into the beginning of the dance, at which point he all of a sudden drops his scum read on Gentleman 5 and then tries to oppose Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 just

barely

enough in order to let them still get lynched, but get town points for when they do. When they fail to get lynched, he tosses teasers out to see if Gentleman 8 and Lady 5 are still up for a lynch, but pretty much gives up, instead going for the second lynch-baitiest pair in the game - Gentleman 1, the man who's always behind.

There all of a sudden isn't any thought or depth to his reads for some reason, they're opportunistic and they grab at every town point he can get. He refuses to actually share where his reads are at or if there is any sort of path to victory, and yet he confidently proclaims he's presented people with one. He's living off of the sustained belief that he's lock town, established in your minds since early day 1, and he will continue to take advantage of this until he wins.

This is all correct. But theres a reason he can do it.

I think most of the players are aware of who he is, and his suicide gambit makes him obvtown I think?

But yes, G6 went off the deep end last weekend when I asked him why he was ignoring me. Im not sure what caused this to happen. Good question to ask postgame

What suicide gambit? Has he actually tried to commit suicide, or was he reaching for town points?

[Lady 2]

G5 being so matched with me in how we view this makes me feel just that much better about my beliefs. I recall G6 throwing some hate his way as well, so I definitely get the sense the mafia at this point are just {G3, L5, G6}.

notice that

scum are both pushing the agenda that i'm scum all of a sudden

because they realize there is no path to endgame without killing me via lynch

I think my best defense to this idea is that I took way too long to do anything here. If I were scum do you think I wait until the walls are closing in to start to make my move? No, I act when I see the signs, not just because it serves me better, but because I have more intel gathering potential with my two scumbuddies. Another thing is if I was scum why do I devote myself to catching up in the way I have? As scum I would have avenues out of that problem and I could likely do it without anyone blinking at me doing it.

It's not inspiring much confidence to see your best defense be that you're playing too badly to be scum :/ people who play poorly as Town can play mediocrely as scum too

[Gentleman 4]

Except you can just leave. Why would you say "I want lady 3 to leave" unless you're relying on her refusing to leave when the time comes to it?

I'm going to leave if you flip town. But me saying I'm going to leave doesn't hold me accountable in the slightest.

Me saying I want Lady 3 to leave does.

[Gentleman 5]

I want you or me today, and if I don't get lynched and you flip town, I want Lady 3 to leave.

Ok you are aware that we just did that earlier

P-Edit: It was for townpoints, thats the point of the gambit

[Gentleman 1]

G6, if you are town, I don’t see scum killing you ever. I think you have demonstrated wild thought processes that make you an asset to them. Your best course of action if you are town is to take a step back and stop trying to control everything, because at this point I think you are bringing this game down.

[Gentleman 5]

Except you can just leave. Why would you say "I want lady 3 to leave" unless you're relying on her refusing to leave when the time comes to it?

I'm going to leave if you flip town. But me saying I'm going to leave doesn't hold me accountable in the slightest.

Me saying I want Lady 3 to leave does.

WHY ARE WE GOING IN FUCKING CIRCLES?

[Gentleman 5]

G6, if you are town, I don’t see scum killing you ever. I think you have demonstrated wild thought processes that make you an asset to them. Your best course of action if you are town is to take a step back and stop trying to control everything, because at this point I think you are bringing this game down.

LOL WTF

[Gentleman 6]

Anyway, I told G4 that when G1 flips scum he's next several times in no uncertain terms and then he and G1 both decided to start calling me scum. This situation isn't rocket science.
G4 is trying to not even let me get a flip off on G1: where's the town motivation in that? What if I'm right? Isn't it correct to verify that my reads are actually wrong before deciding to push me for that?
On the other hand, if I'm voting scum whose flip makes G4 look awful and there's no real way out for scum after G1 goes down, since G4 is more townread yes forcing this 1v1 is an obvious play for scum to make.
I am going to vote Gentleman 4 because I think that it's more important that he go down than that Gentleman 1 go down since G1 isn't really making late game but a lot of people townread G1.

VOTE: G4

[Gentleman 4]

I want you or me today, and if I don't get lynched and you flip town, I want Lady 3 to leave.

Ok you are aware that we just did that earlier

P-Edit: It was for townpoints, thats the point of the gambit

Ok sure, but I've been thinking about mine for several IRL days now, probably close to a week. And I'm serious about mine.

And he's serious about mine.

Also yeah you're right in that it was a gambit, but the fact that he was trying to grab extra town points doesn't ring alarm bells in your head? Why not just do it for real.

[Gentleman 6]

Anyway. I've been saying that G4 is playing like scum for a long time and you can track that progression through my ISO.
He knew that I was coming after him eventually, so don't townread him for this outburst against me when it's the clear and obvious play for scum him to make in this situation.

[Gentleman 6]

Anyway. I've been saying that G4 is playing like scum for a long time and you can track that progression through my ISO.
He knew that I was coming after him eventually, so don't townread him for this outburst against me when it's the clear and obvious play for scum him to make in this situation.