Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Iconeum]

i'm on page 41 and the thread keeps growing

i'm getting coffee

need more to keep up with this

[Iconeum]

PT HELL YEH

[Iconeum]

I really wish he didnt tell me he rolled scum a lot because like i want to gmabler's fallacy but then i want to no gambler's fallacy is bad bu then that overcompensates gambler's fallacy UGH

i was scum last game so i have to be town here

trust me

[popsofctown]

Iconeum ar eyou caught up on the thread
pedit: you were town last game i played with you so you have to be scum here actually, games i wasn't in don't matter

[alimdia]

I want to ask would it not feel a bit suspicious if *everyone* were to agree on the wagon?

Depends on who the wagon is.
What if scum know this and say yes to their scum partner so that people would feel suspicious about a wagon.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF WIFOM everywhere

hm


do i want to be madder at wicked for "i don't have any reads" or alimdia and alduskkel for "i have this one terrible terrible read"

What's my terrible read ;(



Also, part of my datisi TR now consists of 'if she was scum then she deserves to win"

[Iconeum]

do i want to be madder at wicked for "i don't have any reads"

it's not just the hedging of reads

it's the lack of interest in acquiring those reads or sorting in general

[Iconeum]

Iconeum ar eyou caught up on the thread
pedit: you were town last game i played with you so you have to be scum here actually, games i wasn't in don't matter

i'm all caught up

also you were in AvP yes?

[Datisi]

Tbf Icon Wicked did ask about why I said I'm outside my scumrange

Like ik it's not *much* but

[Datisi]

What if scum know this and say yes to their scum partner so that people would feel suspicious about a wagon.

I still think that is hella risky because how often do Townies go "lol wait why is everyone agreeing on this shit"

Maybe D2+ but D1

[Iconeum]

Iconeum ar eyou caught up on the thread
pedit: you were town last game i played with you so you have to be scum here actually, games i wasn't in don't matter

i'm all caught up

also you were in AvP yes?

yeah we were in there together so that counts as last game

i was scum there tho :p

[popsofctown]

Iconeum ar eyou caught up on the thread
pedit: you were town last game i played with you so you have to be scum here actually, games i wasn't in don't matter

i'm all caught up

also you were in AvP yes?

i thought jingle said you were scum in avp i never saw the postgame post

it'd be such a hassle to find it i bet jingle talked a lot post game

i did think it was weird that you didn't help mislynch chennis

[popsofctown]

I want to ask would it not feel a bit suspicious if *everyone* were to agree on the wagon?

Depends on who the wagon is.
What if scum know this and say yes to their scum partner so that people would feel suspicious about a wagon.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF WIFOM everywhere

hm


do i want to be madder at wicked for "i don't have any reads" or alimdia and alduskkel for "i have this one terrible terrible read"

What's my terrible read ;(



Also, part of my datisi TR now consists of 'if she was scum then she deserves to win"

luca is town in this game

[popsofctown]

Datisi is wicked or Alduskkel the lynch that seems to easy to you?

[Iconeum]

Datisi is wicked or Alduskkel the lynch that seems to easy to you?

i wanna say that i don't think wicked has been an easy lynch so far

solid case, bad response and I still don't got a wagon there

[Datisi]

Wicked, or at least it would've been had emps got in here amd started pushing

Rn it's only ~suspuciously~ easy I guess

Pedit: lit everyone except for emps was willing to jump on there

Do you see why I'm at least suspicious?

[Iconeum]

was willing or actually did is not the same tho?

[popsofctown]

Wicked, or at least it would've been had emps got in here amd started pushing

Rn it's only ~suspuciously~ easy I guess

Pedit: lit everyone except for emps was willing to jump on there

Do you see why I'm at least suspicious?

I understand but don't agree

loki thinks i should feed him

[Datisi]

I know
But both alimdia and Adul expressed suspicion after me you and Luca voted
Which, regarding momentum and shit could've easily gotten him lynched
And Mena gave intent when he thought Wicked was at L-1

[popsofctown]

you already knew my opinion

or you already knew loki's opinion?

[Datisi]

Was replying to Icon there

[Alduskkel]

would you guys prefer a few medium sized posts or one monster sized post

[Datisi]

A few mediums actaully

But whatever gets your point across better ig

[Alduskkel]

Alright, this covers pages 41-43.

Aldu is scumreading me for pushing the same players he’s pushing, which doesn’t make sense.

If he were Town he would relate to my pushes, not scumread me for them, as they mirror his own views. It makes it feel disingenuous, and he’s probably worried that if Wicked or your slot flips green then it will reflect badly on him, so he’s preemptively associating me as the one ‘pushing from the sideline’, to hide the fact that’s he’s doing this more than anyone.

Again it's the WAY you pushed those players that was scummy.

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Well of course Alim was going to back you up as you were literally agreeing with what he had said.

This hard Alim TR feels really forced/unnatural.

This is a misrepresentation. Alim backed me up when I said Luca dodged the accusation. That's different from me just saying I agreed with Alim.

And rushed

dude how can it be rushed I've been saying I townread alim since page 25

Spoiler: big ol quote

And i was actually trying to get Wimpy to not tunnel so hard so we could look at other slots, so it really feels like you’re misrepping me there.

Are you trying to say you were just trying to help Wimpy, when you very clearly were also scumreading him?

I also notice Aldu is townreading emps partly for not pushing Wimpy and partly scumreading me for pushing Wimpy, yet I’m pretty sure emps ‘pushed’ Wimpy at least as much as I did, if not more.

It's about the

way

you've pushed people. Emps pushed Wimpy in a way that showed Emps was comfortable being in the spotlight.

I also want to point out that I Townread Datisi and Icon before Ali did (Ali didn’t give any reads until I called him out on it) so his claim that I’m scared of him also becoming townread due to PoE is not only irrational but also doesn’t really make sense, as I’ve helped to form that PoE. I’m actually wondering if he’s projecting his own fears onto me.

lol how can ali be projecting fear of being PoE'd when ali was on track to being in the townbloc

Do you always do this "no u" kind of thing? Cuz you're doing it to both me and ali.

1) I was trying to get Wimpy to not tunnel while having a scum-lean on him, yes.

2) you said you townread emps for not pushing Wimpy, and now I’ve pointed out that’s false you’ve changed it to townreading emps for pushing Wimpy while being comfortable in the spotlight - this contradicts your original reason. You’re making it up as you go along.

3) I could say the same - I’m currently townread more by the ‘townbloc’ players than Alim, so his accusation could also apply to himself and, as I said, it feels like he’s projecting that fear onto me, because it’s otherwise irrational to suggest I’m scared of him being townread for probing about something I disagree with.

1. Yes but the way you phrase it in post 915 makes it sound like you were trying to revise history as though you weren't scumreading him.
2. I can actually see how you'd misunderstand me here. When emps came in, he didn't immediately push Wimpy (or anyone) -- I consider this town behavior. When he later pushed Wimpy, he did so with poor timing (from a scum perspective) because Wimpy had requested replacement, which is a near guarantee that the lynch wagon will slow down on that slot. Also, he pushed the slot in a rather noticeable manner.
3. Not at the time the accusation was made. Seems like only recently have players been saying they heavily townread you (and scumread alim), so in that past context alim was the more townread player.

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@Wicked: What's your opinion of what I said here?

I feel like there's a lot of cognitive dissonance in Wimpy's posting. There's "I don't care if you scumread me but I'm also going to spam the thread with posts explaining why you shouldn't be scumreading me" and also "I think Datisi is scummy but I didn't call her scum it was just a page 2 vote that I said was serious."

Ehh. I'm not sure. He spends an absurd amount of time/energy in defending himself, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's doing it because he cares how Mena/Datisi are reading him. Oftentimes when I'm defending myself (like right now) it's because I see someone spreading ideas about me that are untrue or misleading and I want to prevent other people from buying into those ideas.

And I don't see the cognitive dissonance in the second part of your post.

Why do you believe Wimpy when he said he doesn't care how he's read?

-As I said in my last comment to you, I can see him over-defending himself against his scum reads.
-He seemed to be a little bit prideful - case in point him thinking that experience on epicmafia is the same as experience on mafiascum.
-Him repeatedly misspelling Datisi's name and getting her gender wrong are some of the smaller details that make me feel like he wasn't motivated by trying to get on Datisi/Mena's good side.

Tbh, thinking about it some more, I'm actually not sure if any of this makes him town necessarily but those are some of the ideas that were going through my head when I made that comment.

Hmm, I can kinda see where you're coming from here. Also the cognitive dissonance I was referring to is Wimpy making a "serious" vote on Datisi and thinking she's scum, but also Wimpy saying he didn't call her scum. I don't want to get into the semantics debate that Wimpy/Menal/Dat had earlier all over again, but I still think Wimpy's thinking here is at the very least flawed, and in my opinion outright scummy.

Also I’m holding out on a pipe dream of scum believing that I’d fake my TR on dats being this strong because I believed she was scum and then flip on her in lylo if we were there together, allowing us to kill whatever scum was foolish enough to believe that and to bring us both to 3p lylo

bruh you must have been real fucking tired when you made this post

[alimdia]

@Aldu when you talk about emps coming in and pushing later

think emps was posting while catching up when he was doing that shit

[alimdia]

@Aldu does pop's posts change your reads on the wimpy slot?