Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[RadiantCowbells]

and like i do grok the general idea of him being concerned that I'm tmiing the game not being over and setting up for a mislynch on him but he hasn't even cited that as reasoning which would make a lot more sense than what he's saying

He lynched obvtown Menalque.

Is this inherently a scumtell?

I got put in as the filler slot to the freaking scum theatre on D2.

Why though?

He's been aggressively playing against the town's wincon for a long time, getting TR from me because i didn't think scum would be capable of intentionally getting away with playing so anti-town.

What about when I literally (assuming you're town) prevented town from losing the game outright because I kinda TR you

His predecessor Awoo flip-flopped on me and Titus on D2.

My predecessor also was the first one to call out that there was something really fucky with the nom pool and scum wouldn't have done that.

I've been kept alive as the less dangerous LYLO mislynch for after Joey.

Technically correct that I voted Joey first because I was more concerned about him putting up more of a fight.

GL self-voted on D7 and i think it's because he wanted RC to look better from it.

1) Why can't this be because he doesn't want you to have to force some sort of natural transition around your read on GL
2) Why can't this apply to Suji as well who was also voting him there?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like of the remaining 2 players who aren't you both of us were the people in the game who had doubts about Menalque. Why does that apply to me but not Suji?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also Titus isn't really a memer. Awoo isn't really a memer. Correspondence seems super serious. Dongempire isn't really a memer. I don't see why any combination of the above players submits 2 scum.
Norway seems like a total memer and him pushing for a 3 scum pool makes complete sense fmpov and the way he was preemptively setting up to push people based on both Titus and Correspondence flippign scum at the same time looks bad

like he literally voted Correspondence saying that it was because he didn't like how two town players were defending him and he wanted the info from that flip

[NorwegianboyEE]

1) Why can't this be because he doesn't want you to have to force some sort of natural transition around your read on GL
2) Why can't this apply to Suji as well who was also voting him there?

1) Because the day started and ended at around 3 to 5 at nighttime so i wasn't even awake for it before it had already ended.
2: Because i think Suji has a higher town equity than you.

[RadiantCowbells]

like if nothing else, even if he didn't want to effort on other parts of the game, he'd be able to adequately explain why he's scumreading me and rebut the very simple arguments i'm making against him
like him totally dodging the question of why I prevented his mislynch, not even saying "you were doing it for towncred later!"

1) Because the day started and ended at around 3 to 5 at nighttime so i wasn't even awake for it before it had already ended.
2: Because i think Suji has a higher town equity than you.

regarding 1)- that's why he would have done it. because you weren't scumreading him and he was eventually going down anyway and if you got on you'd have had to force some kind of towny read transition or something. Makes more sense for him to selfhammer and spare us being able to catch you off of that.

2) why?

[RadiantCowbells]

like your argument for why Suji over me is a mix of trusting other people's reads who scumread you more than anyone else and some kind of weird burden of proficiency shit that you copied from Joey

[RadiantCowbells]

don't take prevented his mislynch as a slip or a statement about his alignment, I'm saying it from his perspective, etc.

[Sujimichi]

He lynched obvtown Menalque.

He led the charge, but he wasn't the only one responsible. If Menalque was obvious enough as town, that wouldn't have happened.

I got put in as the filler slot to the freaking scum theatre on D2.

This is part of my hesitation, but as others have said (I forget who) if scum put two in, why not put all three in? There is similar risk is a scum flip (and you were the quickhammer Day 1 and GuiltyLion was the inactive scum slot). Since Titus and GuiltyLion were both scum, you being scum is not as odd as I originally thought.

He's been aggressively playing against the town's wincon for a long time, getting TR from me because i didn't think scum would be capable of intentionally getting away with playing so anti-town.

Please flesh this out for me. How has he been aggressively playing against town's win condition?

His predecessor Awoo flip-flopped on me and Titus on D2.

Awoo ultimately ended up on Titus though and could have ended up directing the lynch to you just as easily.

I've been kept alive as the less dangerous LYLO mislynch for after Joey.

This is the other part of my hesitation. RC knew that I was agreeing with him on reads, and scum you would probably have included me in the nomination pool.

GL self-voted on D7 and i think it's because he wanted RC to look better from it.

How does this make RC look better?

[Sujimichi]

2: Because i think Suji has a higher town equity than you.

But you didn't before we lynched Joey, and we all lynched Joey so what changed?

[RadiantCowbells]

This is the other part of my hesitation. RC knew that I was agreeing with him on reads, and scum you would probably have included me in the nomination pool.

again
not if his original plan was to try to mislynch you in 3 way and given that i had that big turnaround in twilight where I thought it was Suji/GL framing you would have seemed like a great play
also why do i do all that wheels spinning turnaround shit if i'm scum who just needs to lynch someone and not town who is going into conniptions, etc.

[RadiantCowbells]

this might sound weird but i genuinely cannot fake scumreading every single remaining person in the game on the same page

[RadiantCowbells]

and i have literally no motivation to because it doesn't make my slot look any townier

[NorwegianboyEE]

2: Because i think Suji has a higher town equity than you.

But you didn't before we lynched Joey, and we all lynched Joey so what changed?

Because RC is going full scum mode right now and i don't think it would be you based on your attitude.
Anyway it's like 00.20 at night and i need to go to sleep so if you don't let RC convince you to quickhammer we can discuss this more tommorow.

[RadiantCowbells]

What does going full scum mode mean exactly

[Sujimichi]

I'm not going to quickhammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Suji
Oh, forgot to mention. I'm assuming the next day will start while i'm sleeping again. So there's actually a very good check on whether you are scum tommorow. When RC places his vote on me, you not immediately quick hammering means you are town.

[RadiantCowbells]

. So there's actually a very good check on whether you are scum tommorow.

Would town ever say this?

If sujis scum we just lose, this isn't a 'check if she is scum' thing

This makes more sense from a scum pov who wants a reason to clear Suji so I can't call him out on the read on me not really making sense

[Joey_]

@RC
"My predecessor also was the first one to call out that there was something really fucky with the nom pool and scum wouldn't have done that."

pretty sure that's my slot

[RadiantCowbells]

Joey I'm not even going to respond to that lol

You think town Norway just flips on your way so?

[Joey_]

If Menalque was obvious enough as town, that wouldn't have happened.

thats hilariously untrue, menalque was extremely transparent town, RC invented the lynch and got him lynched only because he selfed and i gave him BOTD, i thought menalque was town until the end, i just hoped i was wrong

[Joey_]

Joey I'm not even going to respond to that lol

You think town Norway just flips on your way so?

im not outing my reads

[Joey_]

@RC you lynched me when i didnt' even a work between 2 fucking lynches ago, that alone means you don't deserve any respect

[Joey_]

i didn't even made a post 2 lynches ago*

[RadiantCowbells]

You agreed with me there was something weird about him not townreading me no matter what else he did that was Towny and you know I have a consistent issue scumreading people who scumread me for bad reasons

You can be mad at me. Do you think it's scummy

Ok then

[Joey_]

Also RC went back on his words every chance he got