Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Datisi]

I mean sure the three people who were on it are most likely TTT
But still both alim and Adul expressed willingness to jump idk

tho now both of those reads are kinda fucked too yeah i'm doing great this game

[popsofctown]

Is the first quote not literally a spatial representation reads list?

Correct. drunkpops is savage and calls soberpops out for violating her principles to appease site meta and expectations. Did you know soberpops usually participates in RVS? It's fucking disgusting

[popsofctown]

I don't think the hammer-drop antics look good at all for Menalque. Why even declare intent if it's not intent?
Menalque has selfhammered as town so I know he doesn't have a conscience problem with hammering an unclaimed slot.
Iconeum's theory has some appeal to me, even though I have to dock it X amount of points in the sense that individual slot scumhunting is far easier than getting pairs.

[Menalque]

Wdym pops?

Like I said, I was open to hammering there, aldu’s reaction convinced me they were town

Which is not withstanding the fact that declaring raw intent as soon as it’s available is just one of my go to things

@emps pls confirm, I also did this last time we played together I’m p sure

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Luca Blight

Is no one else bothered by the fact that in 1351 and 1352 he just popped in to set up a pivot back onto alimdia and give a wishy-washy vague opinion on me?

Like, your main scumread just got ran up to L-1, was threatened with a hammer, didn't claim, and then the hammer didn't happen, and Luca has barely anything to say about that? I mean I know he said he'd post more "tomorrow" but he should have had more of an instant reaction. Plus he kept posting in the thread anyway.

And then why does he come to Ico's defense instead of letting Ico defend himself?

Don’t really believe icon’s reaction to my intents if he was genuinely SRing aldu

that's because i was not really genuinly scumreading aldu probably

i said as much

it was a sheep vote because i liked Luca's case there

what

then why did you vote me and want me to claim so badly???

[popsofctown]

maybe it is just wicked and everyone is making it hard when it's easy

[Datisi]

Menalque has selfhammered as town so I know he doesn't have a conscience problem with hammering an unclaimed slot.

Can you tell me the thought behind this? I really don't see what these two things have in common.

[popsofctown]

they're both textbook bad moves? I don't know

[popsofctown]

VOTE: wicked

[Datisi]

I mean yeah they are

But they don't seem related

Which makes me think "uncalled for shade throw"

[popsofctown]

Sorry, it's necessary to be rank about how I characterize the meta of a player and how that contextualizes my reads. He also was sloppy with the fruit mechanic in AvP instead of working to leash it, which made it more difficult to understand his alignment. If I go into games treating him as a sloppy player and not a booksie one, I'm going to read him more accurately.
Sorry not sorry to be clear
I felt sure it was going to be a movie that ended with a lolhammer and when the movie didn't end that way and Alduskkel pointed out how that's a dangerous movie for scum!Menalque I am worried

[Menalque]

Mechanics are (1) boring and (2) open to abuse by scum who intentionally make the incorrect mechanical play

[Menalque]

Sorry, it's necessary to be rank about how I characterize the meta of a player and how that contextualizes my reads. He also was sloppy with the fruit mechanic in AvP instead of working to leash it, which made it more difficult to understand his alignment. If I go into games treating him as a sloppy player and not a booksie one, I'm going to read him more accurately.
Sorry not sorry to be clear
I felt sure it was going to be a movie that ended with a lolhammer and when the movie didn't end that way and Alduskkel pointed out how that's a dangerous movie for scum!Menalque I am worried

I think this is a towny post?

[Menalque]

Alim is starting to ping me again with the way he just floats through the game whenever the spotlight isn’t on him.

I generally don’t like Aldu’s reaction, but there are one or two things I’ve seen that have given me pause for thought. I’ll try and put them into words Tomorrow when I’m on the computer.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wicked

I think these are fine @aldu

[popsofctown]

I misspelled frank

[Alduskkel]

Alim is starting to ping me again with the way he just floats through the game whenever the spotlight isn’t on him.

I generally don’t like Aldu’s reaction, but there are one or two things I’ve seen that have given me pause for thought. I’ll try and put them into words Tomorrow when I’m on the computer.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wicked

I think these are fine @aldu

oh wow i'm instantly convinced

[Menalque]

Alim is starting to ping me again with the way he just floats through the game whenever the spotlight isn’t on him.

I generally don’t like Aldu’s reaction, but there are one or two things I’ve seen that have given me pause for thought. I’ll try and put them into words Tomorrow when I’m on the computer.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wicked

I think these are fine @aldu

oh wow i'm instantly convinced

Huh, that was surprisingly easy

Nice

[Wickedestjr]

I’m about 10 pages behind. I’ll post here in a bit.

[Wickedestjr]

@Alduskkel-

Why were you so sure that Menalque wasn't actually going to hammer you?

@pops-

If you weren't voting me right now, how open would you be to the idea of a Menalque bandwagon/lynch?

[Luca Blight]

2. I can actually see how you'd misunderstand me here. When emps came in, he didn't immediately push Wimpy (or anyone) -- I consider this town behavior. When he later pushed Wimpy, he did so with poor timing (from a scum perspective) because Wimpy had requested replacement, which is a near guarantee that the lynch wagon will slow down on that slot. Also, he pushed the slot in a rather noticeable manner.

This is not true.

emps voted wimpy in 632. Wimpy didn't request replacement until 668.

[Wickedestjr]

It was a much more popular/acceptable opinion when you voted Menalque than it was when you popped into the thread to ask Wimpy about his experience.

There can be plenty of motive as scum to suspect/vote Menalque when you did.

Iconeum's the only person I can remember suspecting Menalque off the top of my head. Who else am I missing? Also, I feel like you're giving me very little credit as a player by asserting that I would lurk through the

first day of the game

just to see where momentum was going before I made my own opinions. And a number of players were much more acceptable/popular options by the time I made my big post.

Just because there's scum motive to voting Menalque doesn't mean it's the most likely explanation for my behavior.

I don’t really like Wicked’s subtle shading of Datisi, feels like he’s nitpicking at things to create doubts over the slot while still aligning with the popular opinion.

I just explained this a little bit more in my last post. If I have a slight town read on someone but also have a couple slight reservations, then how am I supposed to handle that? Keep the reservations to myself? Calling people out for 'shading' seems to be one of the new trends in site meta that I'm not a big fan of.

The reservations felt more like nitpicking to me, and there is the obvious scum motive (as Alim keeps talking about) of wanting to create doubt about an obviously townread player. It felt like the only reason that paragraph on Datisi existed was to create a grain of doubt in the back of people's minds about her, and I didn't feel it was warranted based on the things you highlighted.

I repeat my question from before: if I have a slight town read on someone but also have a couple slight reservations, then how am I supposed to handle that? Keep the reservations to myself? I'm not going to be discouraged from voicing my inner thoughts just because you're throwing out this empty 'shading' buzzword.

[Luca Blight]

1248 made me understand Aldu's SR on me a little better. I could kind of see where he was coming from. I also felt a town ping from his response to Datisi.

[popsofctown]

I only need like 2 more townreads to townbloc townsweep guys can someone townslip about the daytalk crap in a way that actually does anything for me

[Luca Blight]

I don’t really like Wicked’s subtle shading of Datisi, feels like he’s nitpicking at things to create doubts over the slot while still aligning with the popular opinion.

I just explained this a little bit more in my last post. If I have a slight town read on someone but also have a couple slight reservations, then how am I supposed to handle that? Keep the reservations to myself? Calling people out for 'shading' seems to be one of the new trends in site meta that I'm not a big fan of.

The reservations felt more like nitpicking to me, and there is the obvious scum motive (as Alim keeps talking about) of wanting to create doubt about an obviously townread player. It felt like the only reason that paragraph on Datisi existed was to create a grain of doubt in the back of people's minds about her, and I didn't feel it was warranted based on the things you highlighted.

I repeat my question from before: if I have a slight town read on someone but also have a couple slight reservations, then how am I supposed to handle that? Keep the reservations to myself? I'm not going to be discouraged from voicing my inner thoughts just because you're throwing out this empty 'shading' buzzword.

That's fair I guess, it's just how I interpreted it.

I understand your point as I'm doing the same myself about Pops, for instance. This game is all about separating the genuine from not genuine in these instances, and I read yours to be more nit-picking than sincere.

[popsofctown]

@Alduskkel-

Why were you so sure that Menalque wasn't actually going to hammer you?

@pops-

If you weren't voting me right now, how open would you be to the idea of a Menalque bandwagon/lynch?

it's pretty know because experientially I've read him better given large amounts of data.

in a vacuum, I'll read most players right day one or never will.
Iconeum is a pretty good example of that but it hasn't been scummy this game