Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[alimdia]

wtf?

[popsofctown]

nom means to eat it means i consumed the pizza it's part of me now i have fused its energy into mine

[Luca Blight]

I think I'm still content with voting Wicked over Aldu atm.

Wicked doesn't seem particularly scummy, but has also done nothing to make me think he is Town. I can see his play coming from a half-decent scum player who just does enough to post some nice-looking content without creating many waves.

Aldu on the other hand has more scummy looking content, but a few town-telly things in there as well.

emps reminds me a bit of the player Emperor FlippyNips, who has a similar kind of play style which is one I naturally tend to scumread. I really need to see some solid content before I can get a real grip of this slot.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm done responding to things tonight, I'll follow up with people tomorrow perhaps.

I haven't had enough time to push Menalque.

I

really

think people should consider voting Menalque with me today. I think I have a unique vantage point on his scum-meta right now seeing as I just watched him play for the last month with the knowledge that he was scum. His play here looks very similar.

Two quick points that I would like to make before I sleep:

1. I know that he strongly prefers town but his play here is not at all reminiscent of someone that is genuinely trying to scum-hunt or playing the alignment that they want to be playing.

• In this post from yesterday, he says that Alduskkel and I haven't done anything strongly alignment indicative yet he expresses intent to hammer both of us within the next few hours of writing this post: here and here. Town shouldn't be so easily willing to lynch their POE reads when we still have half the day left.
  
• If you will indulge my narcissism for a moment, he says at the beginning of the game that I'm one of the specific players he intended to get a read on and vote or sheep. And coming into this game, I would have expected him to want to interact with me. However, he has completely ignored me for most of the game. He has made no effort to determine my alignment or respond to my criticisms/questions to him. This feels really off to me, especially in combination with me voting for him and him being willing to hammer me so abruptly.
  
• It feels unnatural how he went from confidently scum reading Wimpy to now slowly backing off of that read now that pops has replaced in. I understand that he got angry at Wimpy and appreciate him admitting he crossed the line. But it feels like a convenient and intentional transition given that pops is either a more difficult mis-lynch or a stronger teammate for him if he's scum.

It feels like he's playing an uninvested scum game.


2. There are a number of specific posts that he's made that feel like they're intended to give the appearance of scum-hunting without actually having genuine intent. Two examples of this that immediately come to mind:

• Here he warns me that he expects more posting from me than in our previous game. It feels like him trying to give off the appearance that he's sorting me even though it would have been better for him to wait and see how active I actually turn out to be rather than instructing me preemptively like this.
  
• He repeatedly asks Ico to explain why he started townreading Mena even though Ico explained it. Ico literally responds by quoting previous posts and that's the end of the conversation. So it doesn't feel like Mena actually cared about this even though he asked multiple times. I feel like this is an attempt to earn townpoints by questioning the thing that scum-him would inherently want (people townreading him).

[Luca Blight]

That's actually pretty convincing.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Menalque

[popsofctown]

look at that formatting

it's beautiful
wickedjester should do a seminar
and lucablight goes to the seminar
i will bring the pizza

[popsofctown]

luca blight why are you voting with your scumread

[Luca Blight]

If you read my 1452 you'll see that the only reason I was SR'ing Wicked was for lack of Townie content, which has now been provided.

[popsofctown]

so do you townread him now?

[Luca Blight]

Leaning that way.

[popsofctown]

nooooooooooooooo
not the l-word

Lucsaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[popsofctown]

[popsofctown]

do you think emps has produced townie content?

[Luca Blight]

Not really.

[popsofctown]

Do you scumread emps?

[Luca Blight]

I also covered that in the post above. I need more content from emps, but I'm partly sheeping Datisi/Icon who've played with him before and seem to TR him. The reason I suspected Wicked over emps was because his posts seemed to be more carefully manufactured, but I really like his case against Menalque.

What do you think of it?

[popsofctown]

Pandora is playing with the string on my jacket but I am noticing that the string is frayed so maybe this has also occurred previously without my supervision


It doesn't seem likely you'll ever get content from emps, he is kind of always like this. He's signalling reasons he would be disengaged from this game that are valid as both alignments, but it will be hard to know which unless he does get engaged.



I think it's a good case and it lays out some points in pretty 08' style. I think the point I agree with the most is Menalque requesting/prompting info in a way where it doesn't often sounds like the kind of thing town would be wondering about.

I'm less convinced about the rest of it, hammering people he doesn't even really scumread, again, kind of mimics equally crappy play I've seen him do with a town PM, when hammering himself. That was more emotionally charged, but still. The double intents seem inscrutable to me, the missing hammer seems damning to me. I guess maybe jester and I are holding different parts of the same elephant. It's not enough to move the needle a lot for me, though Menalque was scummier than null to me to begin with.

I think the case says an awful lot more about wickedjester than it does about menalque. In particular since I signalled I'm unlikely to help make a Menalque lynch easy but he went with it anyway.

in hindsight maybe you'd cosign that line since you unvoted before voting and that's not necessary so maybe the unvote was emphatic

[Datisi]

In particular, Datisi's posting style reminds me a little bit of Volpe.

Fun fact, you're the second person to tell me this.

[alimdia]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

That's actually pretty convincing.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Menalque

What do you think about what I said about the hammer?

It doesn't seem likely you'll ever get content from emps, he is kind of always like this. He's signalling reasons he would be disengaged from this game that are valid as both alignments, but it will be hard to know which unless he does get engaged.

Um maybe he should replace out 2 days ago then? Seems unfair to stay in the game like this.

[Datisi]

Okay I'm caught up sorta
alimdia what're youre thoughts on pops? (sorry if you've said this already somewhere i didn't see/forgot)

Pedit: oh hi you're here

[popsofctown]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

[alimdia]

My reads has been flipped upsidedown almost literally the last day or so.

I think Aldu is town, which means Mena is town for not hammering. Now, there is still the possibility of Aldu/Mena scum-team but its hard to co-ordinate that unless they had pre-game start day talk? Unlikely.
Luca is slightly below Aldu & Mena

emps obv I still want to lynch. At this point he is the most anti-town and closest to scummy. However, nobody is remotely interested.
My wicked reads will depend on his answer to my question.

Which means that I want to re-look at pops, Datisi and icon. Datisi and icon have been living rent-free in the town-bloc the last couple of days. And I've sort of given Pops a free pass because I see similarities in the way she is typing compared to Datisi so in my mind I gave her a pass. But I'm going to only re-read non Wimpy vs Datisi/Mena posts because I think those are just distractions.

[alimdia]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

[Iconeum]

wickedjester is really scummy but also likable please send help

I am seeing scummy content but a towny tone...

Dang who knew this micro game would be so much effort to keep up with

Spoiler:

oh god not gifs how do you know my weakspot

I'm done responding to things tonight, I'll follow up with people tomorrow perhaps.

I haven't had enough time to push Menalque.

I

really

think people should consider voting Menalque with me today. I think I have a unique vantage point on his scum-meta right now seeing as I just watched him play for the last month with the knowledge that he was scum. His play here looks very similar.

Two quick points that I would like to make before I sleep:

1. I know that he strongly prefers town but his play here is not at all reminiscent of someone that is genuinely trying to scum-hunt or playing the alignment that they want to be playing.

• In this post from yesterday, he says that Alduskkel and I haven't done anything strongly alignment indicative yet he expresses intent to hammer both of us within the next few hours of writing this post: here and here. Town shouldn't be so easily willing to lynch their POE reads when we still have half the day left.
  
• If you will indulge my narcissism for a moment, he says at the beginning of the game that I'm one of the specific players he intended to get a read on and vote or sheep. And coming into this game, I would have expected him to want to interact with me. However, he has completely ignored me for most of the game. He has made no effort to determine my alignment or respond to my criticisms/questions to him. This feels really off to me, especially in combination with me voting for him and him being willing to hammer me so abruptly.
  
• It feels unnatural how he went from confidently scum reading Wimpy to now slowly backing off of that read now that pops has replaced in. I understand that he got angry at Wimpy and appreciate him admitting he crossed the line. But it feels like a convenient and intentional transition given that pops is either a more difficult mis-lynch or a stronger teammate for him if he's scum.

It feels like he's playing an uninvested scum game.


2. There are a number of specific posts that he's made that feel like they're intended to give the appearance of scum-hunting without actually having genuine intent. Two examples of this that immediately come to mind:

• Here he warns me that he expects more posting from me than in our previous game. It feels like him trying to give off the appearance that he's sorting me even though it would have been better for him to wait and see how active I actually turn out to be rather than instructing me preemptively like this.
  
• He repeatedly asks Ico to explain why he started townreading Mena even though Ico explained it. Ico literally responds by quoting previous posts and that's the end of the conversation. So it doesn't feel like Mena actually cared about this even though he asked multiple times. I feel like this is an attempt to earn townpoints by questioning the thing that scum-him would inherently want (people townreading him).

damn this is a good post. lemme get back to this soon

luca blight why are you voting with your scumread

Tempted to also do that actually. These last 2 days Wicked has towned it up...

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

That's actually pretty convincing.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Menalque

What do you think about what I said about the hammer?

It doesn't seem likely you'll ever get content from emps, he is kind of always like this. He's signalling reasons he would be disengaged from this game that are valid as both alignments, but it will be hard to know which unless he does get engaged.

Um maybe he should replace out 2 days ago then? Seems unfair to stay in the game like this.

Only Menalque didn't have a 'free' hammer. Alu and myself reminded Menalque of this. He was literally in a crappy spot with his hammer. As scum, he would draw a LOT of attention if it flips town. As town, same story. Only town is uninformed and more likely to actually go through with said hammer. It was extremely scummy to back down on that threat.

Also I just disagree on emps. I think I can read that slot. I'm liking the tone, and there's posts out there suggesting he is interested in scumhunting. If he doesn't improve he will be an easy lynch later on, and his lynch today gives us very little information imo.

[Iconeum]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is

only scum!Menalque would care

this is exactly what i'm thinking