Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Datisi]

I do like your posts wrt Mena (not) hammering alimdia

Pedit: icon if you now vote Menalque too I'll beat you with a stick

[Datisi]

Oh sweet pagetop

[Iconeum]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

ok so why don't you try and look at it from a different perspective

why do you think menal passed on that free hammer then? what's his motivation for doing so?

[Iconeum]

I do like your posts wrt Mena (not) hammering alimdia

Pedit: icon if you now vote Menalque too I'll beat you with a stick

[popsofctown]

And I've sort of given Pops a free pass because I see similarities in the way she is typing compared to Datisi so in my mind I gave her a pass.

What's similar between Datisi and I?

[popsofctown]

it is amazing the kind of pretentious hogwash they write on the back of a dollar store wine bottle

[Datisi]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is

only scum!Menalque would care

this is exactly what i'm thinking

Also what's the idea behind this? Town does not care if they get lynched?

[Iconeum]

I'm done responding to things tonight, I'll follow up with people tomorrow perhaps.

I haven't had enough time to push Menalque.

I

really

think people should consider voting Menalque with me today. I think I have a unique vantage point on his scum-meta right now seeing as I just watched him play for the last month with the knowledge that he was scum. His play here looks very similar.

Two quick points that I would like to make before I sleep:

1. I know that he strongly prefers town but his play here is not at all reminiscent of someone that is genuinely trying to scum-hunt or playing the alignment that they want to be playing.

• In this post from yesterday, he says that Alduskkel and I haven't done anything strongly alignment indicative yet he expresses intent to hammer both of us within the next few hours of writing this post: here and here. Town shouldn't be so easily willing to lynch their POE reads when we still have half the day left.
  
• If you will indulge my narcissism for a moment, he says at the beginning of the game that I'm one of the specific players he intended to get a read on and vote or sheep. And coming into this game, I would have expected him to want to interact with me. However, he has completely ignored me for most of the game. He has made no effort to determine my alignment or respond to my criticisms/questions to him. This feels really off to me, especially in combination with me voting for him and him being willing to hammer me so abruptly.
  
• It feels unnatural how he went from confidently scum reading Wimpy to now slowly backing off of that read now that pops has replaced in. I understand that he got angry at Wimpy and appreciate him admitting he crossed the line. But it feels like a convenient and intentional transition given that pops is either a more difficult mis-lynch or a stronger teammate for him if he's scum.

It feels like he's playing an uninvested scum game.


2. There are a number of specific posts that he's made that feel like they're intended to give the appearance of scum-hunting without actually having genuine intent. Two examples of this that immediately come to mind:

• Here he warns me that he expects more posting from me than in our previous game. It feels like him trying to give off the appearance that he's sorting me even though it would have been better for him to wait and see how active I actually turn out to be rather than instructing me preemptively like this.
  
• He repeatedly asks Ico to explain why he started townreading Mena even though Ico explained it. Ico literally responds by quoting previous posts and that's the end of the conversation. So it doesn't feel like Mena actually cared about this even though he asked multiple times. I feel like this is an attempt to earn townpoints by questioning the thing that scum-him would inherently want (people townreading him).

This is a very good case tho.

Menal's push on Wimpy wasn't sorting oriented. When I called him out on his other reads, he just ignored it. Even confirmed as much.
The point about not caring about his questioning for instance wrt to me and my progression on him.

Combined with how Menal handled the fake intent, I am scumreading him.

Still think Wicked had a very scummy readlist, but I can kinda dig the forced part?
I'm a lot less sure about my scumread here then I was 2 days ago.

[alimdia]

I do like your posts wrt Mena (not) hammering alimdia

wrt = with regard to?

THIS IS NOT HOW PAGETOP WORKS

And I've sort of given Pops a free pass because I see similarities in the way she is typing compared to Datisi so in my mind I gave her a pass.

What's similar between Datisi and I?

Your chattering, I'm gonna say online personality, or as much can be seen over the internet.

[Iconeum]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is

only scum!Menalque would care

this is exactly what i'm thinking

Also what's the idea behind this? Town does not care if they get lynched?

Town cares a whole lot less about making mistakes, especially D1. Scum have a lot more on their mind, they wanna make it to endgame. They

need

to stay alive. Scum!Menal mislynching there would make him town's prime target on D2. While town!Menal mislynching there would also make him town's prime target D2, he wouldn't care as much about it. Also, there's a chance town!menal gets a scumlynch. Do you think he'd back down from that opportunity after Aldus refused to claim?

[popsofctown]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is

only scum!Menalque would care

this is exactly what i'm thinking

Also what's the idea behind this? Town does not care if they get lynched?

well now i'm super triggered about alimdia comparing us
yes
survivalism tells are some of the most reliable ones in mafia

[Datisi]

wrt = with regard to?

THIS IS NOT HOW PAGETOP WORKS

That's how i used i
And YES IT IS

also i kinda find it weird that emps fluffpostings calls for a policy but pops earns her a sorta-TR but ok

[alimdia]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

ok so why don't you try and look at it from a different perspective

why do you think menal passed on that free hammer then? what's his motivation for doing so?

I guess I don't see motivation for 'passing on free hammer' as scum. So let's analyse if it's free or not

You were yelling at Aldu for being scum while it was happening (not claiming etc), while also half telling Mena he should post content etc.

So it looked like a free hammer.

Lets say Mena is scum. He gets the hammer off, even if he gets lynched tomorrow as scum his scum buddy is probably very well hidden.



Also Also Also

You want him to hammer

but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer

but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

[popsofctown]

I do like your posts wrt Mena (not) hammering alimdia

wrt = with regard to?

THIS IS NOT HOW PAGETOP WORKS

And I've sort of given Pops a free pass because I see similarities in the way she is typing compared to Datisi so in my mind I gave her a pass.

What's similar between Datisi and I?

Your chattering, I'm gonna say online personality, or as much can be seen over the internet.

wrt means "with respect to", which is almost synonymous with "with regards to".

I don't think Datisi's personality is similar to mine but maybe I'm not the best judge of that

[Datisi]

Town

cares a whole lot less about making mistakes

, especially D1. Scum have a lot more on their mind, they wanna make it to endgame. They need to stay alive. Scum!Menal mislynching there would make him town's prime target on D2. While town!Menal mislynching there would also make him town's prime target D2, he wouldn't care as much about it. Also, there's a chance town!menal gets a scumlynch. Do you think he'd back down from that opportunity after Aldus refused to claim?

You said it right there

What if town!mena thought "hammering there would be a mistake", particularly if he did think reactions were towny?

[Iconeum]

Lets say Mena is scum. He gets the hammer off, even if he gets lynched tomorrow as scum his scum buddy is probably very well hidden.

scum can't trade 1 town lynch for 1 scum lynch

if aldu is town, i doubt he's very high on the scum mislynch priority list

so yeah not really worth it for scum!menal I think

[popsofctown]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

ok so why don't you try and look at it from a different perspective

why do you think menal passed on that free hammer then? what's his motivation for doing so?

I guess I don't see motivation for 'passing on free hammer' as scum. So let's analyse if it's free or not

You were yelling at Aldu for being scum while it was happening (not claiming etc), while also half telling Mena he should post content etc.

So it looked like a free hammer.

Lets say Mena is scum. He gets the hammer off, even if he gets lynched tomorrow as scum his scum buddy is probably very well hidden.



Also Also Also

You want him to hammer

but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer

but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

Nah, I think Menalque is pretty cocky and would prefer to sweep or endgame himself rather than set up a partner

[Datisi]

Wait fuck you wrote less not more

Ehhhhh then i guess we disagree?

[alimdia]

wrt = with regard to?

THIS IS NOT HOW PAGETOP WORKS

That's how i used i
And YES IT IS

also i kinda find it weird that emps fluffpostings calls for a policy but pops earns her a sorta-TR but ok

The thing is emps fluffposting without catching up while pops is doing it live. Also pops has SOME content. Or maybe she just has a really good social game. I'd rather be in Day 2 or whatever with you guys than emps, and we all know emps isn't getting NKed

[alimdia]

Can we address this:

Also Also Also

You want him to hammer

but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer

but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

[Datisi]

survivalism tells are some of the most reliable ones in mafia

Tbh i kinda call bs on that
I actively try to not eat a lynch as either alignment

[Iconeum]

Also Also Also
You want him to hammer
but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer
but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

i didn't want mena to hammer? i only wanted a claim to get moving

in hindsight i think scum!menal had more reasons not to hammer then town!menal

and yes your third point is correct. and that's exactly the reason why I think scum!menal comes back on his intent -> survivalism

[popsofctown]

alimdia's trajectory this game is too meandery to be scum I think

[alimdia]

But the only claim that would stop a hammer is a PR claim???

And also if Aldu never claims and just sits on L1, isn't that hammer time anyway?

[alimdia]

From my POV asking for a claim at L-1 = if you don't claim PR you gonna get hammered anyway