Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Menalque]

Aldu refusing to claim — not orthodox. I’m not talking about whether it’s pro-town, or anti-town or whatever, but it’s out of what is expected. I can see possible scum motivation there in deciding to intentionally look out of the ordinary in the hopes of people following the logic I’m using now, but I don’t think that’s likely.

I think that being that calm and declaring that you don’t think the hammer is coming is much more likely to come from town precisely because lynching scum D1 in a micro is ++town!EV, and tbh I think scum is much more likely to go along with the orthodoxy and at least make a fake claim that may keep them alive.

[Menalque]

There’s also this fact, and it is a fact: town don’t lynch lolhammers nearly as often as they should.

[Menalque]

In a situation where I’m scum:

I could have lolhammered.

I could have declared intent then lolhammered at any point later so long as the wagon was there.

I 100% could have lolhammered when my timer deadline ran out.

And there’s absolutely no reason for me to expect to be lynched in any of those cases. To expect pressure, yes, but not to expect being lynched. I’m always going to end up coming under pressure in this game because scum has the impression I’m a viable mislynch. They’re not wrong, as there are four people on me and a maximum of two of them can be scum.

I’ve been kind of disengaged since wimpy, so I haven’t been producing as much content as I would sometimes, and those are all things scum are going to see and think that I’m viable as the mislynch. Maybe I am, even, especially if one scum is still off and can get a quickhammer.

[Menalque]

Now, my dad’s visiting me, so I’m not going to be around like I would be/how I’d like to be, but I also haven’t even mislynched in D1 before as town and I’m not intending to start today especially when the grounds for my wagon are something as weak as me posting intent and then not hammering.

I’m gonna VOTE: icon because while I’ve been going back and forth on this, I don’t believe that he believed that me not hammering is enough of a reason to call me scum

[alimdia]

You posted intent when u had nothing other than POE for Adlu

[Menalque]

His ISO is damning. I just checked

nothing about aldu until post 973

973 puts aldu in scumpool (along with me and wicked) using POE basically
977 aldu NAI
982 same as 973
997 1st direct interaction with aldu
1025 asking pops about aldu
1033 .. non relevant stuff
1286 ... links old posts of 973 and 982 as reasonings for him wanting to hammer Aldu

I’m gonna need you to be explaining how this is in any way “damning”.

None of this explains why I wouldn’t want to hammer aldu, not why my not doing so is scummy.

[Iconeum]

Now, my dad’s visiting me, so I’m not going to be around like I would be/how I’d like to be, but I also haven’t even mislynched in D1 before as town and I’m not intending to start today especially when the grounds for my wagon are something as weak as me posting intent and then not hammering.

I’m gonna VOTE: icon because while I’ve been going back and forth on this, I don’t believe that he believed that me not hammering is enough of a reason to call me scum

like have you actually read everything leading up to my vote on you?

[Iconeum]

i don't think ur scum for not hammering

[Menalque]

You posted intent when u had nothing other than POE for Adlu

Yes, and?

If I know there are 6 people other than myself who are town and I have 6 TRs then by default I’m SRing the remaining 2.

Why is this a less valid approach than looking for 2 outright actual SRs?

[Iconeum]

i think ur scum for posting intent, threatening with a deadline, having no interest in sorting aldus, not hammering after your deadline despite not coming away with additional information for your PoE, and for not engaging with me when I asked about your reads. Not to mention you pushed Wimpy without the intention of sorting there.

[Iconeum]

If I know there are 6 people other than myself who are town and I have 6 TRs then by default I’m SRing the remaining 2.

who were your 2 scumreads at that time again?

Wimpy slot and aldus then, right?

[Iconeum]

and also, claim

[Menalque]

i don't think ur scum for not hammering

The greater part of your argument recently has been all about my not hammering implying scum!me not wanting to be on the wrong side of a town flip

[Menalque]

i think ur scum for posting intent, threatening with a deadline, having no interest in sorting aldus, not hammering after your deadline despite not coming away with additional information for your PoE, and for not engaging with me when I asked about your reads. Not to mention you pushed Wimpy without the intention of sorting there.

Define how what I’ve been doing with aldus has not been sorting him, when I’ve very clearly explained how his reaction to my intent influenced my read on him, and i did get additional information from the very fact that he refused to claim

I pushed winpy while sorting there and am still unsure as to how good that was vs whether it was tunnelling

[Iconeum]

i don't think ur scum for not hammering

The greater part of your argument recently has been all about my not hammering implying scum!me not wanting to be on the wrong side of a town flip

please don't cherry pick

[Iconeum]

I pushed winpy while sorting there

[Iconeum]

do you really want me to break that down into a case?

[Iconeum]

actually, i'll do both

sure

[Iconeum]

in the meanwhile you can go ahead and claim

[Menalque]

in the meanwhile you can go ahead and claim

I don’t see an intent

[Datisi]

intent

[Datisi]

Lmaoooo I'm sorry I had to

Mena flips town stop this

[Iconeum]

just claim already, there doesn't need to be intent i don't what's up with that this game

like since when is it a rule that there has to be intent before a claim?

several players have declared VLA for the weekend, on monday deadline will be real close. It's literally in the best interest for teh game that you claim. But I don't expect you to have best interest for town at this point.

[Menalque]

there was a little more to it, and aldu also pointed out that menal hammering puts him in a bad spot at the time (part of his argument that he didn't believe the intent)

Because at the time he was in PoE? And Mena even said before he's fine with lynching there? And there was a case that lit you sheeped?

Like why is it so unbelievable to think that the reaction to intent made him reconsider

so you think that:

'Scumalque: yo bro ur ima PoE you have 30 minutes before I hamma you'

'Alidus: ehh i'm good not claiming suck it lovecake'

'DragonBoi: ehhhh menal is gonna look preeeeeety bad if he lynches this and it flips town'



'Scumalque: aaight i'm good'

is town behaviour?

hammering/intent isn't about "getting things", it's about "lynch scum or don't lynch a PR"and if he felt that Aldu isn't scum then there's automatically no point in hammering?

only it actually is about getting things?

you say it yourself

lynch scum or don't lynch a PR

if he thinks aldu isn't scum why post intent in the first place?

He's gained nothing tho?

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT

like, if ur town and you post intent on a slot

and that slot refuses to claim like a boss

and then you post a deadline

and then it still doesn't claim because???

you just… let it go?

for the record, no i'm not saying he should have lolhammered

i want you to recognize what he has gained from the intent

Fuck if I know, I'm not a mind reader.

come on datisi work with me here

why do you think he posted intent? like what are his possible motivations? you don't need to know it to answer this

there's literally like 2 options

get a claim

hammer

he got neither

he doesn't care

why

Thats what is supposed to happen? Instead of just hammering.

supposed to happen. just like aldus was supposed to claim, right?

so instead of just hammering, he posted intent.

but he got neither a claim, nor a hammer. and he could'nt care less.

why do you think Menalque declared intent to begin with?

There was a good case against him, others were agreeing with the case, some were calling for a flip because this day has been going on for a long ass time?

ok

so you are saying he posted intent to get a flip? to get aldus lynched?

actually that's @everyone not scumreading menal off of his intent show

@alim: why do you think Menalque declared intent to begin with?

Also Also Also
You want him to hammer
but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer
but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

i didn't want mena to hammer? i only wanted a claim to get moving

in hindsight i think scum!menal had more reasons not to hammer then town!menal

and yes your third point is correct. and that's exactly the reason why I think scum!menal comes back on his intent -> survivalism

Lets say Mena is scum. He gets the hammer off, even if he gets lynched tomorrow as scum his scum buddy is probably very well hidden.

scum can't trade 1 town lynch for 1 scum lynch

if aldu is town, i doubt he's very high on the scum mislynch priority list

so yeah not really worth it for scum!menal I think

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

ok so why don't you try and look at it from a different perspective

why do you think menal passed on that free hammer then? what's his motivation for doing so?

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is

only scum!Menalque would care

this is exactly what i'm thinking

wickedjester is really scummy but also likable please send help

I am seeing scummy content but a towny tone...

Dang who knew this micro game would be so much effort to keep up with

Spoiler:

oh god not gifs how do you know my weakspot

I'm done responding to things tonight, I'll follow up with people tomorrow perhaps.

I haven't had enough time to push Menalque.

I

really

think people should consider voting Menalque with me today. I think I have a unique vantage point on his scum-meta right now seeing as I just watched him play for the last month with the knowledge that he was scum. His play here looks very similar.

Two quick points that I would like to make before I sleep:

1. I know that he strongly prefers town but his play here is not at all reminiscent of someone that is genuinely trying to scum-hunt or playing the alignment that they want to be playing.

• In this post from yesterday, he says that Alduskkel and I haven't done anything strongly alignment indicative yet he expresses intent to hammer both of us within the next few hours of writing this post: here and here. Town shouldn't be so easily willing to lynch their POE reads when we still have half the day left.
  
• If you will indulge my narcissism for a moment, he says at the beginning of the game that I'm one of the specific players he intended to get a read on and vote or sheep. And coming into this game, I would have expected him to want to interact with me. However, he has completely ignored me for most of the game. He has made no effort to determine my alignment or respond to my criticisms/questions to him. This feels really off to me, especially in combination with me voting for him and him being willing to hammer me so abruptly.
  
• It feels unnatural how he went from confidently scum reading Wimpy to now slowly backing off of that read now that pops has replaced in. I understand that he got angry at Wimpy and appreciate him admitting he crossed the line. But it feels like a convenient and intentional transition given that pops is either a more difficult mis-lynch or a stronger teammate for him if he's scum.

It feels like he's playing an uninvested scum game.


2. There are a number of specific posts that he's made that feel like they're intended to give the appearance of scum-hunting without actually having genuine intent. Two examples of this that immediately come to mind:

• Here he warns me that he expects more posting from me than in our previous game. It feels like him trying to give off the appearance that he's sorting me even though it would have been better for him to wait and see how active I actually turn out to be rather than instructing me preemptively like this.
  
• He repeatedly asks Ico to explain why he started townreading Mena even though Ico explained it. Ico literally responds by quoting previous posts and that's the end of the conversation. So it doesn't feel like Mena actually cared about this even though he asked multiple times. I feel like this is an attempt to earn townpoints by questioning the thing that scum-him would inherently want (people townreading him).

damn this is a good post. lemme get back to this soon

luca blight why are you voting with your scumread

Tempted to also do that actually. These last 2 days Wicked has towned it up...

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

That's actually pretty convincing.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Menalque

What do you think about what I said about the hammer?

It doesn't seem likely you'll ever get content from emps, he is kind of always like this. He's signalling reasons he would be disengaged from this game that are valid as both alignments, but it will be hard to know which unless he does get engaged.

Um maybe he should replace out 2 days ago then? Seems unfair to stay in the game like this.

Only Menalque didn't have a 'free' hammer. Alu and myself reminded Menalque of this. He was literally in a crappy spot with his hammer. As scum, he would draw a LOT of attention if it flips town. As town, same story. Only town is uninformed and more likely to actually go through with said hammer. It was extremely scummy to back down on that threat.

Also I just disagree on emps. I think I can read that slot. I'm liking the tone, and there's posts out there suggesting he is interested in scumhunting. If he doesn't improve he will be an easy lynch later on, and his lynch today gives us very little information imo.

All of your posts about the hammer

[Menalque]

Datisi i think that’s a bad intent if you TR me but I’m VT