Newbie 1963 - Game Over

[eth0s]

I'm gonna go ahead and post my JV ISOdive given the circumstances. I wanted to post them all together but looks like I cant do that

[eth0s]

JacksonVirgo (SL):

TL;DR: weird wishy washy stances on teacher/FF and Gard. seems to townread ducky when it's convenient (like when "thinking they've been hammered") and then backing off from it later. Rolefishy in retrospect in regards to FF. Definitely could have made the bugspray kill based on being a newb (which is apparently debatable) or to frame FF. I personally don't agree with the framing FF motivation in general but if you read their interactions with him that motivation could explain the NK even if JV isn't as newb as I thought.

Spoiler:

MedicalCoke did nothing AI

Glad to see my predecessor was extremely active.
Here comes a slap vote VOTE: Uncrowned

I would now keep the votes on Uncrowned to a minimum, until later in the day. Don't bring it to hammer lol

interesting entrance

- Their interactions with datisi (duck) on day two don't read as S/S -

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

Datisi and Uncrowned both being null on here is weird. But gardenia is missing from it completely which I guess makes her/me null too?

Before I start, there is absolutely no order in this list outside of the sections (scum, town, null).

(1): My reads as of right now.
Teacher and FormerFish are a TvS

bugspray | Chibiie

Chibiie seemed to answer questions with actual effort making me lean to town.

(2): Gardenia

- They seemed to be reluctant to vote at all at first, which doesn't inherently mean anything but then teacher stated that they wrote that out as scum.

(1): FormerFish - wanted a lynch wagon on Teacher early on. Then claimed chibiie was scum whether as a joke or otherwise. They're currently a scumlean for me.

(3): Gyro - Seemed to be lurking could be an SvS with FF.

Datisi | Saladman27

- Salad seemed townie and Datisi seems somewhat null currently so I am townleaning that

Marionette

- Voted without a reason, scumlean

Uncrowned

- This one is null to me.

If I missed anyone, let me know.

TLDR;

TOWNLEAN

• bugspray
  
• Gardenia
  
• Datisi

NULL

• Uncrowned

SCUMLEAN

• FF
  
• Gyro
  
• Mari

(1): I can't remember but I believe teacher and FF had already been heavily crumbing at this point in the game. That makes me believe this stance is newb something but it could go town or scum. Again it suggests a newbie partner if scum though. I think that puts scum equity with Uncrowned higher than Ducky at face value.

(2): going from null on gardenia to whatever this means? the reasoning sounds like a reason to null/scumlean gardenia but is townleaned for it?

(3): there's no reasoning given for the pairing and the gyro scumlean just feels lazy

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

So you're just assuming I am scum? Okay then

weirdly overly defensive and could point to JV wanting the bugs nk

Well, you put him at L-2 not L-1, Jackson. And even if someone hammered him without waiting for his defense, it'd be clear they're scum and they'd be next on the chopping block. We established earlier on in the game that we want to be applying pressure on people.

Oh that's true, I didn't think of them practically outting themselves as scum if they vote.
VOTE: FormerFish

need to look at Uncrowned's ISO and look back at this

I mean originally that if FF flips scum. All my SvS reads with FF were now with Teacher but I don't think that anymore

Okay, genuinely no idea what this means.

And yes. By default, each page has 25 posts. So posts number 25, 50, 75, 100, 125 etc. are pagetoppers.

Words aren't helpful for me when I am half asleep, apologies

The only way I can make sense of 413 is if you'd meant to write "meant originally that if FF flips Town". Is that right?

OH! Yeah that's what I meant. Since I TvS Teacher and FF. If FF flips town, Teacher is the scum from my pov.

I think FF is the scum. I don't believe teacher is, I thought that was what I was saying?

if scum!JV the plan seems pretty blatant at this point. kill bugs and try to get a back to back teacher/FF mislynch/claim. idk maybe it's the wording that bothers me here but it seems like JV is very careful about saying who they want to lynch.

JacksonVirgo: Can't tell if they're just a more prepared newbie than I am or if they are more experienced idk don't know and don't have opinions on this person

I've got

some

experience under my belt, on another site though.

it kinda looks like JV has been trying to slide by doing scummy things as a newbie. If they're experienced that just strengthens my thoughts there.

Let me reword, heavy defending yourself when no real pressure is even on you

so this is a problem when FF does it but not when uncrowned has been overly defending himself all game?

@FF I have no idea what you expected me to find after reading your ISO, whether you put it down as being new or otherwise, you just progressively got cockier and had no real input outside of saying bugspray unintentionally claimed VT and threw shade at my readlist

You seem confident you can be confirmed easily, so my thoughts on a scum team would be ethos and fuz.
If you are bluffing then it'd be ethos you

woah woah hold the phone explain this right now please

Okay, so here is my current thoughts. The way FF has been acting to me is calling out a few possibilities.
1. They're scum since they've been pushing on flipped town and myself.
2. They're Town but wanting themselves to seem scummy but not too much to get lynched so that mafia doesn't kill them.
3. They are a confirmable role so they can be aggressive and lure out scumslips as they may have the ability to confirm themself as town easily.

so when did it occur to you that FF was likely a mason? because going from "I reread your ISO and saw nothing important" to this implies you had already considered that and were pushing him as scum regardless to try and force a claim.

Ah okay, well it's gonna flip VT lol. I can tell the future!

Oh so I haven't been lynched yet?

Wait, did I just hammer that?

faking thinking that you're hammered and "VT slipping" then acting like you didn't know you just hammered are two things I do as scum. I just don't understand how you can do both of these things and be town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why's that? Are you saying Uncrowned and Ducky are scum and will hammer you?

[eth0s]

I mean it's certainly possible. Or you're scum and one of them is your partner.

I understand I haven't been very active at all, and that's my fault but voting me so quickly could lead to an insta lose if you're actually town.

[JacksonVirgo]

weirdly overly defensive and could point to JV wanting the bugs nk

You claim I am experienced therefore scum, then say that I was newb and killed someone which would frame me, very big brained.

if scum!JV the plan seems pretty blatant at this point. kill bugs and try to get a back to back teacher/FF mislynch/claim. idk maybe it's the wording that bothers me here but it seems like JV is very careful about saying who they want to lynch.

Except I am not scum, therefore this logic falls through.

it kinda looks like JV has been trying to slide by doing scummy things as a newbie. If they're experienced that just strengthens my thoughts there.

If you're saying I am experienced therefore I am scum because x, your previous point contradicts it because scum!me wouldn't kill bugs as they were an easy as shit mislynch material.

so this is a problem when FF does it but not when uncrowned has been overly defending himself all game?

-_- no comment because this is dumb

so when did it occur to you that FF was likely a mason? because going from "I reread your ISO and saw nothing important" to this implies you had already considered that and were pushing him as scum regardless to try and force a claim.

I didn't know they were mason, I had a read that it was a fake claim or a bluff by the cop and that FF would be a confirmable role, I didn't say shit about knowing they were masons so this falls through once again.

faking thinking that you're hammered and "VT slipping" then acting like you didn't know you just hammered are two things I do as scum. I just don't understand how you can do both of these things and be town

It's called being in exam block, then graduating, then formal. I've been busy so I haven't had full brain power in this game so if you're going to use that as mislynch material, screw off.

[JacksonVirgo]

would be a confirmable role or faking a confirmable role*

[eth0s]

Uncrowned (N/S):

TL;DR: this one is quite a bit shorter but most of his ISO seems like filler. A lot of questions that don't really seem to matter, or he doesn't care to follow up on. A scum motivation from him isn't as clear to me as it is from JV but his votes all seem pretty opportunistic and some of his actions seem hypocritical.

Spoiler:

238 I"m pretty sure I've already talked about but is overly defensive it seems.

Also, Fish is at L-2. Not a fan of that naked vote.

after starting off by voting someone "because they aren't posting" and then shading a naked post like this it looks kinda opportunistic.

- unc's interactions with JV after they joined the game doesn't really read as S/S -

I think FF is the scum. I don't believe teacher is, I thought that was what I was saying?

Let me try make full sense.

FF is Scum to you. But if he flips town, you think Teacher is scum instead. Is that correct?

JV admitting after this for the first time that they'd be okay with lynching teacher if FF flipped green is weird.

- he's asking a lot of questions and seems productive, although it's not clear what purpose the questions serve -

FF, why did you quick hammer on Gyro though? I thought the normal play was to state intent to hammer in case that person had a claim or at least to get more defense.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Gyro's play, but I think we could've gotten more out of D1 than what we did.

this is a good post

@eth0s Not sure how you want me to defend myself, I feel like being blunt can only convey so much.

Interested as to why you think I fit the bill for the Bugspray kill, would like to see your logic behind that.

idk if I ever answered this but basically just being a newbie is why I thought that. Although looking at some of the questions you've been asking and the way you've interacted with certain slots makes me believe maybe you're not such a newb either.

Bussing Fuz? I had that slot as a SL since D1, and was planning on pressuring the slot prior to Gyro getting lynched quicker than I thought he would've.

Ethos having them as clear town is weird to me, I want to know why he thinks that because I don't see it at all yet.

I was kinda just messing around. Like their carefreeness actually did strike me as more newbtown than newbscum, but also the slot provided no real info at the time and I was wanting to keep them around for PoE in hopes that there would be some associations to draw.

VOTE: Fuz

Maybe you're passive town, but your playstyle seems opportunistic to me.

that's a really weak reason to vote them and given the lengths he went to interact with JV then just slapping a vote down here doesn't seem natural

I should've analysed more and waited for Fuz to give us something, which is what I want to give her the chance to do now before we rush into votes again like we did D1.

isn't that exactly what you just did though?

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean it's certainly possible. Or you're scum and one of them is your partner.

I understand I haven't been very active at all, and that's my fault but voting me so quickly could lead to an insta lose if you're actually town.

Okay, so if I am scum with Uncrowned or Duckyboi, voting you straight up won't do shit because Town won't hammer it without information.
From my pov, you're lock scum and voting you is safe.

[eth0s]

weirdly overly defensive and could point to JV wanting the bugs nk

You claim I am experienced therefore scum, then say that I was newb and killed someone which would frame me, very big brained.

What? no I'm saying you fit the bill for either of the motivations to kill bugs that have been brought up.

If newb!scum then simply made the kill because you thought it was a good one.

If experienced!scum then made the kill to frame FF.

[eth0s]

I mean it's certainly possible. Or you're scum and one of them is your partner.

I understand I haven't been very active at all, and that's my fault but voting me so quickly could lead to an insta lose if you're actually town.

Okay, so if I am scum with Uncrowned or Duckyboi, voting you straight up won't do shit because Town won't hammer it without information.
From my pov, you're lock scum and voting you is safe.

I mean if you're town and just laid down a bad vote in LYLO how is that justified? by that logic another townie could vote me and I would be at L-1 and one of the scum could have siteflaked and won.

[eth0s]

I didn't say shit about knowing they were masons so this falls through once again.

JV, care to join fuzzy on the readslist assignment, and also answer this?

So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

I'll get to the readlist after my exam in half an hour, but I think there is a possibility that you as a Mason or similar said that to gain reads or the like but then are easily able to confirm otherwise so you're not mislynched. I should probably have elaborated that earlier but oh well.

?

[eth0s]

faking thinking that you're hammered and "VT slipping" then acting like you didn't know you just hammered are two things I do as scum. I just don't understand how you can do both of these things and be town

It's called being in exam block, then graduating, then formal. I've been busy so I haven't had full brain power in this game so if you're going to use that as mislynch material, screw off.

this is bad AtE. I mean congrats on the IRL stuff but I wasn't attacking you for that. I was attacking your play which is bad and scummy and you're just defending it for some reasoning that I was supposed to know about?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also you're scumleaning in LyLo? Have you got no scumreads at all? Sounds legit

Also, it is a frame by you and Uncrowned whether intentional or accidental. You both are bringing up that one thing against me even though Uncrowned is claiming you both are on opposing sides.

From my point of view, Ducky is town and thus Uncrowned and yourself are scum and are framing me. In addition, if you look from Duckyboi's point of view, in which I townread, at the very minimum, one of you two (Uncrowed, Eth0s) are scum. Whether with each other or with me, yet you both practically have the same reads against me and not with each other, seems very very interesting don't you think?

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn't say shit about knowing they were masons so this falls through once again.

JV, care to join fuzzy on the readslist assignment, and also answer this?

So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

I'll get to the readlist after my exam in half an hour, but I think there is a possibility that you as a Mason or similar said that to gain reads or the like but then are easily able to confirm otherwise so you're not mislynched. I should probably have elaborated that earlier but oh well.

?

Yeah, that's called trying to read people to get information since town was either fake-claiming or bluffing.

[JacksonVirgo]

Regardless, my vote is staying because I will have no other chance to vote pretty much an thus any lynch will be a scum lynch. I have said this twice before I believe. Anyway it's almost 1 in the morning, I am sleeping. Night y'all

[eth0s]

The Worst (IS TOWN):

Not a lot to say about Saladman. He seemed like he was trying to solve the game in the short time he was here.

Datisi had a lot of strong arguments, asked a lot of questions, DID a lot with the information gathered. It seems like she clashed a bit with Unc and thought he was scummy. And... wait

Datisi received game compromising information. The PRs are masons there is no game compromising info for a scum to receive there.

Holy shit. Ducky is locktown and I don't have to do his ISOdive

[JacksonVirgo]

Wow, I try and sleep and you drop that.
You locktown them but don't scumread me and uncrowned. Nice slip

[eth0s]

I really hate using info like that to break the game but like. It just doesn't make sense that scum could receive game compromising info in this setup. Ducky conftown and JV and unc confscum!

[eth0s]

Wow, I try and sleep and you drop that.
You locktown them but don't scumread me and uncrowned. Nice slip

I literally JUST noticed and pointed out that ducky is conftown. you want me to go back and edit my posts. Yeah sorry about your luck but you guys are caught. Nice early vote LOL

[eth0s]

VOTE: JV ez

[JacksonVirgo]

What the heck are you scumleaning and whatever N/S means'ing for?
Town should be smart, but if they're not. Shame lol


Night for real, Town feel free to hammer Eth0s they're lockscum

[eth0s]

that (SL and N/S) was mostly placeholder for me to consider all things, since I had to form the reads on each individual ISO read rather than collectively when I was finished. Because you voted me and put me on a timer. But I already felt good about ducky overall and seeing that with datisi made me realize you and Unc literally have to be the team.

[eth0s]

Like you're throwing down quickvotes in LYLO acting like we don't have time when we have 85 hours left and then attacking me for making reads that weren't straight scumreads when I wasn't even able to assess all slots before labeling them? It's a clear last-ditch scum effort.

[eth0s]

You knew my ISOdive on you was coming, and while it may seem underwhelming (I acknowledge my overall play here has been subpar as I haven't been able to dedicate much time the last week or so) I think you were afraid of what was coming and threw that vote down to try and be first and be confident.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can't sleep lol

(I acknowledge my overall play here has been subpar as I haven't been able to dedicate much time the last week or so)

You call bs on my AtE or whatever yet you do the same, noice.

In addition, I am confident I've solved the game