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[shos]

mod: assuming all those with night actions agree to it, please end night quickly <3

[Kelly Chen]

Ok, glad that part's over. Not sure why I care but I'm disappointed/stunned we couldn't get 5/5 agreement on that.

btw Shos is sort of cleared no matter what. Either Vork is town and cleared him, or Vork is scum and Shos is still pretty much clear, because Vork/Shos won't both be scum. The only way it's town Vork and scum Shos is if we made bad assumptions about the role, like Vork was worried.

[Kelly Chen]

i am scum sp lynch me to lynch the last scum and aim kelly at chick.

So how come these posts did not have a self-vote even though you have self-voted in this same game already?

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 5.GAME END

shos (0)

Chickadee (3)Kelly Chen;shos;Vorkuta;

cyrus62(0)

Vorkuta (0)

Kelly Chen

gameplay506

(1)cyrus62;

Not Voting (5)Chickadee;

It's 3 for a majority lynch.

Chickadee has been lynched.

Role PM:

Spoiler:

Cultist

You are a cultist.
Your win condition is to gain Majority with other cultists. There might be other win conditions. You only need to complete one of them.

A win condition has been achieved.

The mafia has gained control of 50% of all votes.
Endgame reached.
Shos, Secret Death Miller(Cult) , has been endgamed.
Cyrus, Secret Death Miller(Day:Mafia Goon, Night:Vanilla Townie) has been endgamed.

GAME ENDS; MAFIA WINS, CULT LOSES, TOWN LOSES.

The lone converted cultist, Chickadee, failed to survive to endgame and loses(their only applicable win condition(and a secret win condition))

Vorkuta, Mafia Goon, and Kelly Chen, Secret Death Godfather(Vanilla Townie), survive and win.

nomnomnom, Chemist and PMysterious were Secret Death Millers(Day:Mafia Goon, Night:Vanilla Townie), aligned with the town, and lose.

Iconeum and Doctor Drew were Death Masons, but the rest of their flips was correct. They lose.

The medium only recieved nightmares and good dreams, and only if a majority of dead people would have ever voted for a combination via PM which... never happened.(Yes, you all didn't read precisely, did you? It says "if the majority

agrees

" right there.

The flips of Baezu and RCEnigma were correct, they were the only true Vanilla Townies.

Korina cheated and broke the site's game rules about not communicating outside the game(they communicated via changing their location in their profile).
Oh, and they lost - obviously.
Their original role was this:

Town Delegate Of the Dead Death Mason

Bad news first.
YOU DIED NIGHT 0! You were backstabbed out of nowhere.
No one alive knows what you were.
Now the good news:
You can use all your abilities while being dead!
You have access to a Dead PT here. And to a Dead Mason PT here.
You can, once per day, send me a PM with a vote. The person you select will get one vote against them, named

?

or

??

. This vote counts as a town-controlled vote for win condition purposes, and counts - for the vote threshold to lynch with Majority.
Three times per game, when you send me that PM with a vote, you can mark this vote green. Then, your vote will be mod confirmed(Text of Truth) to come from the Town. as

??

. Otherwise, it will be marked as

?

(if you don't mark it green or exhausted your attempts).
You will be informed about a 4 players LYLO(LYLO=Town must lynch non-town or lose).
Win Condition:Remove all threats to the Town.

Needless to say, it was an uphill battle for town when their only strong power role who wasn't supposed to be removable got themselves modkilled - with consent of the list mods of course - and it broke part of the game because the dead were no longer able to influence the game until the end of the game, which they otherwise would have.

I am also sorry for the error in judgement I made - I should have planned to tell you that there's dead interaction from the beginning. Not that it influenced the game this much....
And... if you play a bastard game, or indeed, any game that isn't a normal game read things, especially mod PM's and the rules... carefully. Otherwise... you might miss something!

[Kelly Chen]

Yeah sorry guys, I really wanted gameplay to be town so that's how I played it.


I had some things wrong. Shos was cult?? Does that explain why last day Chickadee felt wrong? Like really not aiming to help the town.

I assumed Korina was VT and that all VTs were death millers if lynched but not if NKd. And that all VTs could vote from beyond the grave and send dreams to Iconeum, but nobody ever wanted to. I assumed THIS was how the setup was meant to be balanced: Dead VTs would still control the game and expose the millerness to Iconeum.

Was I supposed to know anything about being a godfather? Vork and I were not sure how we would flip if lynched.

[Not Known 15]

No, they were a townie who would have flipped Cult upon death(shos). All death millers were aligned with the town.

[Not Known 15]

Was I supposed to know anything about being a godfather? Vork and I were not sure how we would flip if lynched.

Well it says "SECRET Death Godfather"

[Kelly Chen]

oh I see. I was trying to think if Shos' play today made much sense as cult.

With Chickadee-Shos aligned that would be really dicey.

[Not Known 15]

The public wincon of the cult was indeed gain majority.
The hidden wincons were two:
One for a team of 2+ converts, control 50% of the vote with mafia dead
One for a lone convert, survive until endgame.
The lone convert was not considered a threat to town or mafia, two converts were.

[Kelly Chen]

Ok, so Chickadee did have a win path, non-exclusive of town win, but she didn't know about it.

I have long foreseen town/cult were going to be really mad about this game

I think I will write up some memoirs from the scum PT

[Not Known 15]

The Cult could only recruit death millers, and the death miller(cult) only if that one was the only applicable one.
And the Cultifier WOULD if possible, recruit every night until game end(or running out of death millers), actively targeting only recruitables, so it was right to lynch them.
So yes, Chickadee was one of the five original death millers(NK:VT lynch:Mafia Goon)

The obvious bastard roles were the six death millers(one for Cult, 5 for Mafia, but only at day) and the Cultifier.

[Not Known 15]

I have long foreseen town/cult were going to be really mad about this game

and probably... korina. Well, I am mad about that, at least. That clear-cut chase of cheating by korina - as the most powerful role of the entire game, aligned with the town, supposed to be able to influence the game until the end... - obviously distorted the game.

[Kelly Chen]

The bad thing here is that if Drew's optimal play is supposed to be to get lynched then, jester concerns aside, one should not expect any cult to be recruited in this setup.

Vork and I assumed PM was probably a death miller, and not a traitor or something. But we could never tell the town anything like that. And I think town could never speculate about it because it would leave no means to try to hunt scum.

[Not Known 15]

The bad thing here is that if Drew's optimal play is supposed to be to get lynched then, jester concerns aside, one should not expect any cult to be recruited in this setup.

which would have left you with a very slightly townsided setup, probably.
After all, the power of the Medium was limited to be known by the dead as Town(so the Medium claim was confirmed town for them), and to recieve thoughts o f the dead about alignment.

[Doctor Drew]

So what was the point of the dead Mason PT?

[Not Known 15]

So what was the point of the dead Mason PT?

korina.
You were confirmed to korina as town. You were able to assist the Delegate of the Dead(here:korina) as confirmed town. The Delegate of the Dead who was supposed to have one vote from the grave, one time per day, until the end of the game.
.... MODKILL....

but that didn't happen.



You were a Death Mason because, of course, you had to lynch yourself at some point(and the pt had knowledge about you being bad for town), so as compensation, you were supposed to be able to influence the dead vote of the delegate greatly

....MODKILL....
but that didn't happen.

[Chemist1422]

meanwhile I don’t even get told what my role was

[Not Known 15]

meanwhile I don’t even get told what my role was

Sorry. You were one of the death millers(nightkill flip:VT, lynch flip: MGoon)

[shos]

So uh
Technically
Town would never have been able to actually know how good they progress, without dreams helping.
Why did the dead never tell Icon anything?

also...


told ya PMyst was town

[shos]

Do we get access to the scum PT?

[shos]

Or to anything else actually

[Kelly Chen]

I don't need to redact anything from scum PT, really would be happy to have people see it...

[Not Known 15]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81044
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81043
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81042

[shos]

Soooo in order:

shos - Town, death miller
Chickadee - ???, later converted to cult
Korina - Town Death delegate, able to vote from the dead
Doctor Drew - Town Cultifier
PMysterious - Town, death miller
nomnomnom - Town, death miller
Iconeum - Town dreamer
cyrus62 - Town death miller
RCEnigma - VT
Formerfish/Baezu - VT
Vorkuta - Goon
Kelly Chen/gameplay506 - death godfather
Chemist1422 - Death miller

[shos]

woah we really had no chance did we lawl