Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[alimdia]

yoink

[Luca Blight]

I think Icon made a good point that if we compromised on emps and he flipped Town then we’d learn next to nothing.

Fmpov I’m still far from convinced about Menalque, and I really don’t feel like lynching Wicked after that case - I thought he displayed a real townie thought process.

[Luca Blight]

Most of the focus has been on the intent and subsequent lack of hammer, but this is actually something I could see coming from Menalque as either alignment. I can definitely see a possible townie motive for it.

I think there is a lot of value in the other points Wicked made against Menalque which deserve a bit more attention. Wicked’s meta points felt genuine, and it does seem curious how Menalque hasn’t tried to interact more with Wicked given they had just played as scum together. I also agree with his point about Menalque’s approach to the Wimpy slot. I can understand feeling bad for what he did etc but I would have expected a bit of suspicion to naturally return after a while of a slot he SR so hard.

[Luca Blight]

Just to bring up the case again, I think there’s a lot here that still needs addressing:

I'm done responding to things tonight, I'll follow up with people tomorrow perhaps.

I haven't had enough time to push Menalque.

I

really

think people should consider voting Menalque with me today. I think I have a unique vantage point on his scum-meta right now seeing as I just watched him play for the last month with the knowledge that he was scum. His play here looks very similar.

Two quick points that I would like to make before I sleep:

1. I know that he strongly prefers town but his play here is not at all reminiscent of someone that is genuinely trying to scum-hunt or playing the alignment that they want to be playing.

• In this post from yesterday, he says that Alduskkel and I haven't done anything strongly alignment indicative yet he expresses intent to hammer both of us within the next few hours of writing this post: here and here. Town shouldn't be so easily willing to lynch their POE reads when we still have half the day left.
  
• If you will indulge my narcissism for a moment, he says at the beginning of the game that I'm one of the specific players he intended to get a read on and vote or sheep. And coming into this game, I would have expected him to want to interact with me. However, he has completely ignored me for most of the game. He has made no effort to determine my alignment or respond to my criticisms/questions to him. This feels really off to me, especially in combination with me voting for him and him being willing to hammer me so abruptly.
  
• It feels unnatural how he went from confidently scum reading Wimpy to now slowly backing off of that read now that pops has replaced in. I understand that he got angry at Wimpy and appreciate him admitting he crossed the line. But it feels like a convenient and intentional transition given that pops is either a more difficult mis-lynch or a stronger teammate for him if he's scum.

It feels like he's playing an uninvested scum game.


2. There are a number of specific posts that he's made that feel like they're intended to give the appearance of scum-hunting without actually having genuine intent. Two examples of this that immediately come to mind:

• Here he warns me that he expects more posting from me than in our previous game. It feels like him trying to give off the appearance that he's sorting me even though it would have been better for him to wait and see how active I actually turn out to be rather than instructing me preemptively like this.
  
• He repeatedly asks Ico to explain why he started townreading Mena even though Ico explained it. Ico literally responds by quoting previous posts and that's the end of the conversation. So it doesn't feel like Mena actually cared about this even though he asked multiple times. I feel like this is an attempt to earn townpoints by questioning the thing that scum-him would inherently want (people townreading him).

[Datisi]

If you genuinely never had intention of hammer, and wanted to 'gambit' to force a reaction out of Aldu

Where did Mena say that was his intention? He's been p clear that that was not the case.

[Datisi]

Luca, I've said a bit about it before, but also look at what Mena does after I manage to convince Icon to get off the wagon and to vote Wicked again. He actively raises points against Icon again. Scum!Mena would know there's like 0.0001% Icon eats rope today and that doing that just potentially opens his wagon again. It makes no semse.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t think scum always push someone for the purpose of getting them lynched. If Menalque had immediately stopped pushing Icon when the pressure was relieved a bit then it would have looked worse on him, so I’m not sure I really buy that.

I’m also running out of players to compromise on. I’m no longer willing to Lynch Wicked today because his case was really townie. I could possibly compromise on Aldu, that’s probably about it.

[Datisi]

alimdia, can you

actually

respond to 1580?

The latest posts just make me wanna lynch alimdia more
> goes from hard defending Mena to hard pushing because "his ISO is damning" but doesn't explain why when asked
> still spewing about the emps policy lynch
> and then also misrepping Mena in 1699 because ???

[Luca Blight]

Also, Menalque did vote Wicked shortly after that. He did what I’d imagine scum would do in that position - maintain his scumread while slowly easing over onto the more convenient time wagon.

[Luca Blight]

If you’ve got any more reasons for why I should be townreading Menalque then I’m all ears, because right now I’m not seeing it.

[Datisi]

I'm having trouble putting it into words.

I just don't see things other people are SRing him for as scum indicative. I don't.
I don't think being willing to hammer someone in your PoE is not scum indicative. Mena said himself he was only 65% on Wimpy, i don't think it's that weird he stopped pushing there for the second. Calling out Wicked's activity right off the bat would be bad play, but the argument "town!Mena would wait to see how active Wicked would be to sort him correctly" could go the other way of "scum!Mena would wait to see the actiity level so he has more reasons to push for his mislynch". I'm just not sold on the case.

[popsofctown]

It says Plum's not online, so we should get a bit more discussion in.

I feel strongly about mechanical play, especially in micros where a getting the PRs to 3p or 5p can be very strong. Other people might not feel so strongly, I'm not going to wait for those people to unvote before Menalque sneaks back towards null.

So I want to lynch the scummy claimed VT
VOTE: Menalque

[Menalque]

Pops!scum

[Datisi]

Pops!scum

[Menalque]

I was right all along, cool, that feels vindicating

[Menalque]

Both scum on my wagon, I’m p sure of that

[Menalque]

Sorry dats, I’m p sure you’re the NK here

[Menalque]

So pops is scum and there’s scum in

(Wicked, Luca, alim, icon)

Hmm

[Datisi]

Icon if deadline pressure makes us lynch Mena because you refused to change ypur vote here and he flips Town i am personally coming for your head tomorrow

@Icon it wasn't deadline but this is still valid

i saw you were online

pedit: mena i REALLY fucking hope you don't flip scum here
like
please

[Menalque]

Wicked is maybe the best shot there after pops? I think the hammer may have been protective as we were gonna compromise there

[Menalque]

Nah dude I’m town, like I said

[Menalque]

I think it was p obvious to anyone who knows me, which implies wicked/icon

[Datisi]

"dude" actually gives me a bad feeling here, but not like it matters anymore...

[Menalque]

Luca’s limp on was p scummy and was making me reconsider

I actually think alim is the most likely to be town who fucked up on the wagon

[Menalque]

There’s literally no need for me to do this as scum