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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.08

Soča River, Slovenia

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Blatant Scum

(3): Rise, GayBabyJailor, Map Wolf

TheGildedSun

(3): faüstiv, Blatant Scum, GuiltyLion

Map Wolf

(1): Titus

GayBabyJailor

(1): Gjt

Not Voting

(1): TheGildedSun

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-20 10:30:00).

Mod notes:

I have a below average ability to decipher acronyms. I am doing my best but it would help if votes had people's full usernames or shortenings like Plot for Plotinus, which I can understand pretty well.[/area]

[Rise]

Also gonna VOTE: GuiltyLion cause I feel like they're actively trying catch players out like "you know you're playing bad and that's scummy right?" Imo comes across as a scum looking for mislynches.

[Rise]

Also sorry Plotinus, voted just after the VC was posted...

[GuiltyLion]

can all of you listing TGS as one of your top strongest townreads give an explanation of who TGS scumreads and why? and consider the fact that TGS won't even commit to 3 townreads of her own?

@Rise - in your mind, what would be different about my behavior assuming that I were town and trying to look for scum? Like yes, duh I am trying to push on players who are taking weak stances or not genuinely engaged in solving the game,

because that's how you catch scum

[GuiltyLion]

also you still haven't pointed out where I've been manipulative. I am plenty of annoying things - direct, confrontational, aggressive, etc, sure - but I do not believe my play is at all manipulative and it's questionable that you threw that my way without more explanation

[GuiltyLion]

actively trying catch players out like "you know you're playing bad and that's scummy right?"

Also wasn't this basically the case on Blatant in a nutshell lol

[Rise]

Imo, bad doesn't equal scummy. Bad is just not being knowledgable at the game/making mistakes but I think it's genuine. Scummy is intentionally playing bad (like blatant)/and twisting things to make other people look bad(like how you're doing). Basically not being genuine and bad intent.

For example, me saying I'm suspicious of Blatant because he's not playing well on purpose is fair imo, but you have to twist it and say I'm wrong and being suspicious of Blatant is scummy of me.

This is all coming from my POV of course, cause I know I'm town so I feel like it's a bad push.

[Rise]

Also @GuiltyLion I hope I'm being civil. I feel like games like this could get heated but I want you to know I'm all up for being friends after.

[Gjt]

Also @GuiltyLion I hope I'm being civil. I feel like games like this could get heated but I want you to know I'm all up for being friends after.

What happens in Mafia stays in Mafis

[GuiltyLion]

You're definitely being civil, no worries! I was referring to myself mainly I know I can be a real pain but yes definitely no hard feelings in anything that happens here and if I'm ever too much just check me and I'll try to regulate / chill. The problem with this game is ya gotta crack a few eggs sometimes to make that winning omelette, as either alignment. but don't worry I'd never assume mal intent from anybody outside of game.

Also I like your 256 , I can see that. I'll try to reset and case TGS a little bit better later cause it's clear my view of this gamestate isnt universally shared rn

[Blatant Scum]

and twisting things to make other people look bad(like how you're doing

Examples?

[Map Wolf]

Townreads in no particular order:

Gjt
Faustiv
GuiltyLion

[Titus]

Glided Sun and BS both have wagons to 3 again.

This suggest Map wolf and GS have the same alignment.

Does it really?

Map Wolf wagon was faustiv, GL, Titus
GildedSun wagon is faustiv, BS, GL

If they're both town, who are the scum voting on either wagon? How is this logic informing your reads?

I didn't say they were both town. They could both be scum. The same people, particularly you and faustiv voting the same wagons suggest the same alignment for them.

If they are opposites, then it suggests BS is scum to me.

[Titus]

Scum reads seem all over the place Joy's of D1

Who are everyones top 3 Town reads? Let's try a different approach

*cringe*

[Plotinus]

faüstiv¹ has been prodded^{Rule 14} and has (expired on 2019-11-18 07:00:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement because the prod timer runs slower on weekends.

[faüstiv]

Blatant's mindless following on lynching me concerns me. He talks about Rise, but nothing about me. Then votes me.

Faust, what makes you believe it's me? I'm a bit questioning of you at this point. I like your attempts to gamesolve, but there is something wrong. I think I'm going to re-read last game to find the difference.
I am simply attempting to gamesolve.

One thing that I believe might set one off about me is my neutrality but this is just my playstyle, I don't like focusing on lynching one player.

few reasons why I voted you:

I didn't see much attempt at gamesolving in the majority of your posts
your playstyle is different from the previous game we played
i wanted to see how you reacted under pressure

A lot of the posts leading up to my vote were lengthy but lacked substance. I think 60 comes across as a gamesolvey post but 86 for example does not. I think scum when scumhunting can ask questions which really aren't going to be answered in a way which we can determine their alignment. For example in my previous game Farren did this and I called him out on it. He turned out to be scum in the end. The part in question:

And I don't want to be speaking on their behalf and just assuming things, so I'd like to give Jailor a chance to explain. GBJ, what are your first thoughts on this game so far,

and were you confused or unsure in the beginning at all?

I find this bolded question to be really odd and I fail to see what answers it will provide? GBJ is clearly a new player when it comes to forum mafia; we know that from the posts he made early on in the game. I don't see what town!TGS could learn from GBJ by asking this question.

99 is a bit weird too.

If you're not actively acting to gamesolve then you're going to appear suspicious to people. If you give off this vibe that "I'll just leave it to the other players" then it makes you appear like you aren't all in for town victory.

A mafia game won't be "relaxing," in fact that kind of goes against the general feel. Mafia games can get heated and for good reason, it's a social deduction game. Of course a player isn't required to constantly be in the heat but it is important to contribute, especially if you actually are town aligned, and the way you have no interest kind of sets me off in a weird way. But not in a way that makes me feel that you are no doubt scum, at least not yet, because I feel as though that would be too obvious. No, I am just a bit confused on why this is the case.

don't see why TGS brings this point up to an SE and the point itself is kinda weird. why is TGS so focused on gamesolving and not appearing suspicious. it speaks of the mindset that TGS has at that point in the game; trying to gamesolve (which i don't see much of leading up to 99) but also not trying to appear suspicious. i'll probably be able to explain myself better when i properly wake up, but it makes sense in my head.

don't get 107 either, just a load of general statements:

Well this game is really only just beginning and we haven't had any real wagons yet (well, kind of a jump on Map Wolf and now Blatant) but nothing too major. So far I feel like looking into a players prior experience is vital to reading their tone in posts, as what happened to I in the beginning of last game. I'm kind of seeing myself in some of the other players here and trying to put myself into their shoes. I also understand that that can be dangerous too because automatically ruling out someone as mafia just because they are a newer player isn't always a good way to go. We have to consider all possibilities, misdirection is something crucial to scum so we have to work hard to not be fooled.

question was 'have you learned anything from this game so far?' i don't think it's answered here.

110

So far no. I agree with you in terms of GBJ not being scum (reasons stated previously) and same with Blatant. I feel that Blatant has a higher likelyhood of being scum though between the two.

We haven't heard much of anything from Titus as they are V/LA, nor have GuiltyLion or Map Wolf spoken recently. In fact I'd like to hear something from the two of them. There was that big jump on Map Wolf but it seemed a little too quickly agreed upon for my tastes, especially with both Blatant and Guilty jumping on the wagon which I don't fully know how I feel about them yet, I do believe Blatant is most likely town (but can't say for sure yet, too early) and Guilty hasn't spoken enough for me to have drawn any inferences.

gtj being defensive, it was kind of odd how they admitted they were acting slightly off in the beginning but then also clarifying they weren't new to the idea of D1 votes, which makes me think they are town. I feel like mafia would of went along with not having been familiar with the votes, claiming that's where the panic originated from.

I want to know where this TR of blatant scum came from, since it came out of the blue at the time. what made you TR him before post 110?

I now notice that you SR him a bit more in 219.

Blatant's mindless following on lynching me concerns me. He talks about Rise, but nothing about me. Then votes me.

BS also voted Map Wolf in 57, putting him in L2, but you townread him in 110. Why do you FOS him more now that he's voted you when he did exactly the same to Map Wolf?

219 was also a horrible reaction to my vote

Faust, what makes you believe it's me? I'm a bit questioning of you at this point. I like your attempts to gamesolve, but there is something wrong. I think I'm going to re-read last game to find the difference.

I am simply attempting to gamesolve.

One thing that I believe might set one off about me is my neutrality but this is just my playstyle, I don't like focusing on lynching one player.

this is another example of what I said in regards to 99, she seems self aware. why are you so paranoid now votes are on you when you were less so when there were lots of votes were on other players?

[faüstiv]

Titus is flying under the radar; too much for my liking considering his posts.

post 23:

You don't seem to be a newbie.

VLA this weekend.

completely contradicts post 174:

My apologies. I didn't realize this had started.

in live mafia scum do this a lot; fake afk then come in at some point later in the day to say that 'they didn't know the game started' so people townread them as villager. probably not the case in forum mafia, however this does need exploring. why did you make 174 Titus?

183:

Right now, I see a divide in the town centered on Map Wolf and BS. BS is definitely anti-town but Map Wolf's vote is opportunistic (town or scum opportunism though). I think right now the best thing to do is to tie up the wagons and see what responses occur.

you claim BS is anti town and that Map Wolf's vote is opportunistic but could come from town, yet vote Map Wolf instead of BS.

vote count at this time was:

Blatant Scum (3): Rise, GayBabyJailor, Map Wolf
Map Wolf (2): faüstiv, GuiltyLion,
Rise (1): Blatant Scum

Not Voting (3): Gjt, Titus, TheGildedSun

a vote from Titus on BS would put him on L1, so if you think he's anti town, why did you not do so? why did you pick Map Wolf instead?

don't get line of thinking in 230. can you explain that to me?

Glided Sun and BS both have wagons to 3 again.

This suggest Map wolf and GS have the same alignment.

262:

I didn't say they were both town. They could both be scum. The same people, particularly you and faustiv voting the same wagons suggest the same alignment for them.

If they are opposites, then it suggests BS is scum to me.

so where do your thoughts lie?

if you're voting Map Wolf then that suggests you think he is scum. do you think TGS is town? if so why not vote BS. there's no progression to consider here because this post stems from a logical analysis made by Titus in 183.

vote count for reference:

Blatant Scum (3): Rise, GayBabyJailor, Map Wolf
TheGildedSun (3): faüstiv, Blatant Scum, GuiltyLion
Map Wolf (1): Titus
GayBabyJailor (1): Gjt

Not Voting (1): TheGildedSun

[faüstiv]

BS has also been on 3 wagons. i don't like how easily he's being TR'ed. I don't like Titus' reluctance to vote him either considering his thought process.

[faüstiv]

screw it

VOTE: Blatant Scum

L1

[Blatant Scum]

Faustiv is very likely to slip with the way how he plays this.
Only lynch him when you see the slip, or when PoE orders that.

[Blatant Scum]

screw it

VOTE: Blatant Scum

L1

In other words, if someone votes me without giving intent, and I flip town, he gets lynched tommorow.

[faüstiv]

you should self vote tbh, jigs up pal

[Blatant Scum]

you should self vote tbh, jigs up pal

Selfhammering as town is usually not a good idea.

[GayBabyJailor]

blatant's actually at L-2, rise changed their vote from bs to guiltylion

[faüstiv]

oh is he