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[texcat]

I'm pretty sure that scum didn't know about the traitor or they surely would have caught Gook's crumb.

If I was scum I simply wouldn't have noticed it, because I'm not American and I had no idea who Benedict Arnold was. (I've just googled it now after you brought it up).

Of course, the chances are really slim the whole scum team contains no American players.. (but I'm just trying to keep myself in the suspects pool so as not to get shot at night).

I'm beginning to think the chances are high.

[AaronFrost]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

[AaronFrost]

I don't believe that Garmr conveniently 'forgot' to put in a night action considering that his voyeur claim has been a big talking point.

Not sure what he's trying to do with the whole 'let's mislynch me now' thing.

[Hectic]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

You realise this is LyLo, so if you're town, you're giving scum the win?
Good job locking yourself as scum.

We literally just finished a game together where the scumteam with all active members- 3- didn't manage to coordinate a hammer.
Before that (officer game) the scum did not coordinate possible hammers.

Questions:

Have you ever seen scum coordinate a lylo hammer that they could only make for a couple of hours?

If 3 player teams can't so it then why do you think the 5p team this would have to be can?

Why are you sure there's 5 scum, they can't or wouldn't try to quickhammer if there weren't 5.

Why do scum make the play of trying to quickhammer when that could easily reveal several of them.

Why haven't you treated other lylo votes like this?

If you townread Titus then why has she still not been hammered?

I'm not that afraid of a coordinated scum quick hammer. I'm saying Garmr okay with being lynched confirms him as scum as he should know it's LyLo now.
I'm assuming it's LyLo because the standard formula for the number of scum fits the 6 total scum theory. And one of them was a weaker traitor.

[Hectic]

The Eevee, hectic, Titus, texcat scumteam definitely doesn't deserve to win. They've done basically nothing except sit back and let a few town screw over the rest of us.

You're spending more time discussing how this team doesn't deserve to win in your last bout of posts rather than why they're actually scum.

[Hectic]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

4 scum for 25 players?
There must be a serial killer or other anti-town roles in that game.
A standard 21 player game has... oh, I just realised it's 5 scum actually.
Since the number of town is 3× the number of scum + 1.
I think I concluded it must be 6 because one of the scum was a weaker traitor.
But I guess it's not definitely LyLo then.

[Titus]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

4 scum for 25 players?
There must be a serial killer or other anti-town roles in that game.
A standard 21 player game has... oh, I just realised it's 5 scum actually.
Since the number of town is 3× the number of scum + 1.
I think I concluded it must be 6 because one of the scum was a weaker traitor.
But I guess it's not definitely LyLo then.

I inferred it wasn't lylo because I wasn't hammered.

[Hopkirk]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

4 scum for 25 players?
There must be a serial killer or other anti-town roles in that game.
A standard 21 player game has... oh, I just realised it's 5 scum actually.
Since the number of town is 3× the number of scum + 1.
I think I concluded it must be 6 because one of the scum was a weaker traitor.
But I guess it's not definitely LyLo then.

Can you back that up based on competed games? I found one with 5 scum in it (not one team ) and 0 with 6 scum for this size.

That 25p had 4 normal scum. 21 probably doesn't have 5 and a traitor.

[Hopkirk]

The Eevee, hectic, Titus, texcat scumteam definitely doesn't deserve to win. They've done basically nothing except sit back and let a few town screw over the rest of us.

You're spending more time discussing how this team doesn't deserve to win in your last bout of posts rather than why they're actually scum.

I don't think I need to discuss why they're scum.

Based on what you know of my current schedule, do you think I'd be making long cases on scumreads that the conf town seem to agree with?

[Hectic]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

You realise this is LyLo, so if you're town, you're giving scum the win?
Good job locking yourself as scum.

If hes locked as scum why didnt you vote him there?

Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit about the lockscum thing, but I do think he's the most likely scum now. I'll stop being overly cautious.

VOTE: Garmr

[Hectic]

@Hop: yeah, I might be wrong about the number of scum thing. The formula works for the vast majority of 9 and 13 player games, but maybe it doesn't apply to larger games.

[Hectic]

The Eevee, hectic, Titus, texcat scumteam definitely doesn't deserve to win. They've done basically nothing except sit back and let a few town screw over the rest of us.

You're spending more time discussing how this team doesn't deserve to win in your last bout of posts rather than why they're actually scum.

I don't think I need to discuss why they're scum.

Based on what you know of my current schedule, do you think I'd be making long cases on scumreads that the conf town seem to agree with?

No, but discussing why {this scum team} doesn't deserve to win is kinda an appeal to emotion, and trying to push the notion of that scumread into the conftown's heads, which is what I think you're going for.

[Hopkirk]

Anyone in the entire game not happy to vote Tex?

[Hopkirk]

I can't remember anyone saying anything good or bad about her specifically. Nobody seems to townread her but nobody's ever tried to push her either.

[Hectic]

I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.

What're your reads on Rick and Texcat?

@Pine: Eevee, Titus, and yourself are what most seem to want to lynch today.

Town doctor and more likely town.

My current plan is still lynch Eevee/Titus/kopine and see what happens next.

-hop

This is where Hop expresses Tex as town.

Gonna be real annoyed if you're actually town here, Hop.

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

Ah, that makes sense.

This is where I realised Rick is probably town for the reasons above.
Try again, Hop.

What's your response to these, Hop?
Just gonna ignore the fact you're misrepresenting past events?

[Hopkirk]

1.) That doesn't say I townread Tex. It says I want to lynch 3 people then find the remaining 1-2 from there. Notice how you weren't in the list despite me scumreading you as I still have a reason for some doubt.

2.) That's not you expressing a read on Rick. It's you leaving it open for you to read him either way later.

[bob3141]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

How do you know we arnt?

[AaronFrost]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

How do you know we arnt?

I don't, but scum do.

[Garmr]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

4 scum for 25 players?
There must be a serial killer or other anti-town roles in that game.
A standard 21 player game has... oh, I just realised it's 5 scum actually.
Since the number of town is 3× the number of scum + 1.
I think I concluded it must be 6 because one of the scum was a weaker traitor.
But I guess it's not definitely LyLo then.

I inferred it wasn't lylo because I wasn't hammered.

These two players make me cautious that it is lylo.

[Hectic]

1.) That doesn't say I townread Tex. It says I want to lynch 3 people then find the remaining 1-2 from there. Notice how you weren't in the list despite me scumreading you as I still have a reason for some doubt.

2.) That's not you expressing a read on Rick. It's you leaving it open for you to read him either way later.

I don't know, "more likely town" sounds like you townread them the most of the non-confirmed and not Rick bunch.

The context is important for 2). I'm saying "that makes sense" for that person saying it makes sense for Rick to be doctor.

So who do you think is town now of the non-confirmed people?

[Hectic]

The reluctance from everyone but Titus voting for Garmr this game is telling. Titus has a point that people are too unwilling to vote for him.
There might be another town in {Hopkirk, Aaron, Eevee, Texcat}, but I'm sure who yet.

[Garmr]

The reluctance from everyone but Titus voting for Garmr this game is telling. Titus has a point that people are too unwilling to vote for him.
There might be another town in {Hopkirk, Aaron, Eevee, Texcat}, but I'm sure who yet.

Town have being trying to lynch Titus for ages kinda telling if you ask me. But wanna know why it is hard to lynch me?

The confirmed town won't let me get me mislynched.

.

[Hectic]

The reluctance from everyone but Titus voting for Garmr this game is telling. Titus has a point that people are too unwilling to vote for him.
There might be another town in {Hopkirk, Aaron, Eevee, Texcat}, but I'm sure who yet.

Town have being trying to lynch Titus for ages kinda telling if you ask me. But wanna know why it is hard to lynch me?

The confirmed town won't let me get me mislynched.

.

Everyone being okay with scum!Titus is kind of telling actually. Makes more sense for her to be town rather than her whole scum team bussing her.
Though, the first couple of people to accuse Titus makes a difference, so need to look back for that.

@conf-townies: What'd you think of Garmr now?

[Hectic]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

I mean, look how bad this post is. Please tell me you don't buy this.

[Rick Dalton]

I really don’t think this is lylo. I got wrecked from assuming this earlier, but still.