Spoiler: lynch vanilla
Subject: Large Normal 221 - Endgame
popsofctown wrote:ok so that's why you can't understand the lyrics
but they're something about lynching claimed vanilla and mechanical play
I promise
In post 493, popsofctown wrote:It is called mafia jailbreak...
I believe bionic's claim, because i think he's town. I don't believe RC's claim. It's way too late. A jailer wouldn't be so reluctant to claim, because it's not a powerful role. Can't roleblock without protecting, can't protect without roleblocking.
I still favor RC lynch. If he's not a jailer, we have another one, and it's not like jailer is the end-all be-all role. However, in light of the claim, i'm willing to switch to Rhinox, who as i've said, i have a slight town read on but look darkly upon because he's claimed vanilla, for the lynch.
In post 493, popsofctown wrote:It is called mafia jailbreak...
I believe bionic's claim, because i think he's town. I don't believe RC's claim. It's way too late. A jailer wouldn't be so reluctant to claim, because it's not a powerful role. Can't roleblock without protecting, can't protect without roleblocking.
I still favor RC lynch. If he's not a jailer, we have another one, and it's not like jailer is the end-all be-all role. However, in light of the claim, i'm willing to switch to Rhinox, who as i've said, i have a slight town read on but look darkly upon because he's claimed vanilla, for the lynch.
In post 376, popsofctown wrote:you lynch claimed vanilla because claimed vanilla makes it easier for the scum to nightkill power roles by process of elimination.
Subject: Open 108 - Weak M.D. - Game over before 725In post 330, popsofctown wrote:CF Riots wanted explication of this post.popsofctown wrote:Rhinox, you seem less scummy to me right now. But i can't clearly decide if i feel that way because of your massive AtE or because of actual evidence you've shown. So now i have to lynch you. Do you see how that lurks?
If it is going to come down to lynch Rhinox or not today that is. Perhaps the premature claim works with the possibility of jailkeepers?
The first part was me trying to explain why he oughtn't be doing so much AtE, at least if he's town he shouldn't. My gut feeling on him is and was moving towards town, but i don't know whether that's due to AtE, which affects one's judgment in an irrational/inefficient way. The word lurks instead of works is a bizzare switch of words, it should be "works", i correct it later. If i was lurking this game nineteen people and their mother could say it was a freudian slip but i'm definitely not lurking this game.
The second part is admittedly confusing. What i was addressing there is Rhinox's premature roleclaim. With a vanilla claim, you usually want to lynch the guy who made the claim, since if he's town it makes it easier for scum to shoot at power roles, if he's not town then duh he needs to be lynched. Not saying lynching a vanilla is better than lynching town, but lynching claimed-vanilla is definitely better than lynching a townie player with no claim out, it helps the town in night strategy. So i asked in that post whether maybe the jailkeeper has any sort of positive synergy with vanilla townies that would justify leaving Rhinox alive..
Rhinox is a tough case to call. Admittedly, all he's done is massive amounts of low level transgressions. We haven't caught him using deliberate logical fallacies, or chainsaw defending, or anything really scummy like that. Just WIFOM in AtE, one of the things that blend in the most with newbies. I think bionicchop is coming from the perspective of wanting to separate newbie from scum in that respect, but i think he's probably erring on the wrong side in this case.
@Spyrex- You would lynch me every single game for the same action because you thought it was scummy? Most the world agrees that self-voting has a positive correlation with being scum, would you lynch Natirasha every single game you played with him? You'd lose more than i would. I guarantee it.
If you really would lynch me even if you looked up my meta and it showed that i'm playing pops-town, i want you to tell me right now if you are trying to play to your win condition. Because if you are playing to you're win condition and that's really you're policy, i have no logical choice but to vote you.
popsofctown wrote:I really think Gamma should be our lynch for the day. Although on second thought i need to be open to the possibility that someone could be scummier than him, i don't think someone could be so much scummier than Gamma that they are a better lynch than Gamma, who has claimed Vanilla, which is especially bad when scum already have some (admittedly scant) information on night actions.
I think we should do hypoclaims after we decide on a lynch. I don't see how delaying that stagnates the day. Every other game gets to a lynch consensus without using hypoclaims to spur them all the way there. We can hypoclaim after. Gieff's idea, something like connecting the last wire back to the first one, is one less person that gets to choose their own hypoclaim. We want everyone to choose don't we?
Last thing, picking a hypoclaim target. I came up with a good idea for a verifiable random selection. We use the post count of some mafia player at some point in time. Just some prominent person from mafia discussion maybe. Mr. Flay, or Farside22, Adel, Thok, Glork... one of those. Pick a far enough away time, anyone from this game is welcome to check at that moment to see the post count. TotalPostCount%12. Good?
Or i'm fine with Korts just doing it instead. BSG picking a scumpartner to start the hypoclaim is improbable and not really a problem.
In large normal 221 I actually vigged claimed VT that I was scumreading a bit less than one or two unclaimed slots. It fortunately flipped scum. That same game, to be fair, I shot an unclaimed player when there was an outed VT because I had gotten to a firm townread on the VT and the unclaimed player wasn't playing much like PR and was a mislynch waiting to happen. I was definitely not hard townreading Menalque.
I'm sure there's some times it's come up where I didn't use the two word phrase "claimed vanilla" exactly but I can't think of any further google fu
