Micro 900: Dead Players Discussion Private Topic

[Menalque]

(Yes i know you only said almost)

[Alduskkel]

So p sure pops isn’t tracker

any reason for this other than cuz pops is scum?

[Menalque]

So p sure pops isn’t tracker

any reason for this other than cuz pops is scum?

If she’s town I don’t think tracker makes a post like that when they’re under fire

[Menalque]

Unless you think town is going entirely off tonal reads, you’ve gotta assume you’re in trouble for the day before, so if you’re town and PR I think you’re doing the best you can to set up for a potential claim to be believed, plus you’re ideally going to be acting as towny as poss to avoid claiming if you don’t have a result yet

Also tracker should have at least a softclear and I don’t really see any evolution in her readslist from EoD yesterday

[Alduskkel]

If we’re ever scum together can we do that thing again where you post intent to hammer me and then instead of hammering me you townread me or would that be too obvious

[Alduskkel]

also I was gonna post

intent

when u were at L-1 but I didn’t get a chance to post so

[Alduskkel]

as a joke ofc

[Menalque]

If we’re ever scum together can we do that thing again where you post intent to hammer me and then instead of hammering me you townread me or would that be too obvious

Lmao I would be very down for that so long as we don’t have anyone from this game there — or at least like not datisi bc this is the sort of shit she’d remember

[Menalque]

also I was gonna post

intent

when u were at L-1 but I didn’t get a chance to post so

as a joke ofc

“I know you’re not going to hammer me, aldus”

[Alduskkel]

“You have 30 minutes”

[Alduskkel]

Mena is town

[Alduskkel]

why do so many people townread Luca cuz I don’t get it

[Menalque]

Ahh man, I’m glad that it’s at least you here to meme in dead thread with me if not datisi

[Alduskkel]

I'll be your substitute Datisi

[Menalque]

Noice

Also, I TR Luca for stuff like this:

My feelings are opposite to yours, Wicked.

I feel Wimpy, as Town, would have been more likely to take the lynch as an

'I told you so

' moment. I could see him site-flaking for feeling like he's been unfairly treated and caught for the wrong reasons.

There's no way of knowing if he was really considering posting his role PM or whether it was a bluff.

Pops admitted she hadn't caught up on the thread as she wasn't ready to answer certain questions directed towards her.

That, to me, is a very townie thought process, because it’s exactly the same one I had when I was reading wicked’s analysis of the wimpy replace out

Plus datisi, who I heard TR, has been having the same thing throughout the game, as has pops (if she does flip town — but I don’t really think she’s scum with Luca, in which case scum!her is being forced to reveal her honest analysis of those posts because I think it would be very hard to try and argue they’re a scum thought process)

[Menalque]

Icon has been very scummy today, especially stuff like this;

well you were the one who brought up on D1 that a lynch felt like it was too easy for you

what do you think here?

Obviously if pops is scum, her partner would be going out on a huge limb to defend her here, and they would probably lynch any slot that hard defended pops after a scum!flip

So if you’re scum, there’s much more incentive to bus here as your partner is prob dying anyway

Icon should know this as town, and the fact that he’s acting like the lack of defence is susp is either him being partners, or him trying to conserve the slot for a D3 mislynch which is prob scum’s best chance of winning here (although assuming datisi is killed off tonight, maybe icon survives D3 anyway)

I think icon is more or less in lock!scum territory, or I’ve had a vastly wrong image of his towngame

But I don’t think he as town really believes that my play around the intent was scummy because it obviously wasn’t and again, he’s good enough that he should know that

In fact my SR on icon is like one of the only things giving me pause on pops, as she’s focussing there — but then again, I think if she’s scum they basically have to bus

[Menalque]

@alimdia*: 1707.

His ISO is damning. I just checked

nothing about aldu until post 973

973 puts aldu in scumpool (along with me and wicked) using POE basically
977 aldu NAI
982 same as 973
997 1st direct interaction with aldu
1025 asking pops about aldu
1033 .. non relevant stuff
1286 ... links old posts of 973 and 982 as reasonings for him wanting to hammer Aldu

I’m gonna need you to be explaining how this is in any way “damning”.

None of this explains why I wouldn’t want to hammer aldu, not why my not doing so is scummy.

Well this post explains that Mena had 0 interaction with Aldu until post 973. The only case he had against Aldu was via POE, and even after 973 there is very little direct interaction with Aldu.
So there was 0 reason for an intent to hammer someone that YOU DON'T WANT TO HAMMER. All that causes is unnecessary claims to come flying out.

Also a lot of his 'arguments' or 'reads' has the basis of 'I'm town'. Now that game of SH that just ended (so we can talk about it), he does that shit a lot where he's just like 'I'm lib'. Well bro nobody else knows that other than the scum/fascists. You aren't convincing any of the actual town/libs based off those shitty arguments.

See my 1697 and 1699

Btw I'm v/la so my quoting might suck

You’re missing the point dude

I’m not lib/town BECAUSE I’m saying I’m lib/town

I’m lib/town because my play, to anyone who knows me (like half the slots in the game) is obviously not my scumgame, or it should be

Now I’m dead I think I can say that anyone here should have hard TR me being a toxic asshole because I wouldn’t do that to someone knowing they were town, but I didn’t wanna bring this up in game because it felt low

But aside from that just tonally this game would have been a new level for my scumgame, where I’ve radically shifted away from being memey towards making serious posts and trying to actively display how solvey I am

Put it this way: the fact people were thinking about lynching me D1 bc I seemed scummy should have been enough for people to realise I probably wasn’t scum

[Menalque]

ooooh luca

don't make me talk about to what extent I think Menalque is a strong town player

I don't want to have that conversation

I mean, I think I’m objectively a strong town player in minis/micros. I haven’t actually lost a mini yet when I’ve been town, and my micro record is p good I think?

Not saying I don’t have major issues and a lot of stuff to work on (and I’m not extending saying I’m a strong player imo the realm of larges) but I’m curious to hear what you were gonna say here, pops.

I think it’s unfortunate, ftr, that you’ve seen me in 2 micros where I got into emotionally charged fights and so if it’s to do with that then I get it. I think that’s one of my biggest issues atm, and it’s why I’m dialling down my games atm, because I don’t wanna keep playing if I can’t stop that, and I feel like it’s happening more and more recently.

[Menalque]

So we doing pops because we don't think the wimpy vs Mena was TvT or because of that lol hammer?

If pops also flips town I think we need to look at the bystanders of the fight - Wicked and emps

This is the single post making me most iffy about alim

I don’t like the attempt to setup a shift to wicked/emps after a pops!green flip

But wicked was always gonna be in contention anyway, so I’m not sure scum feels the need to make this post?

Other than that it would be a very ballsy move for scum to claim that they partly mislynched me because they just missed a post — like, I think experiences scum might do that, but I don’t really think newb!scum would without coaching, and I’m still working on the basis of probably no day talk

I guess it could have been discussed at night if he was worried about it tho?

But I’m still gonna say that overall alim’s play is much more reminiscent of newb!town than newb!scum

[Menalque]

I really think all the scum is in (icon, pops, wicked)

[Menalque]

If pops!town then I think it’s prob (Icon, wicked) and I kinda wonder if they bring datisi to 5p lylo after killing Luca to try and get alim to vote her out of paranoia

[Alduskkel]

I think pops-town increases the likelihood of Luca-scum tho given the way Luca interacted with Wimpy.

If I hadn’t been lynched I would have had time to explain why wicked’s case is perfectly plausible from scum!wicked and v much in line with his meta from C9++

Could you elaborate on this?

I'm pretty sure alimdia is newbish town. I don't think he'd vote Datisi out of paranoia, but I am concerned about his stubborn attachment to his emps scumread.

I think the most likely outcome tho is that pops gets lynched, flips scum, then ico gets lynched and also flips scum. GG. Or at least that's what I'm hoping for lol.

[Menalque]

Honestly, I’m doubting more and more my pops SR against it just being bad play, which I think is maybe more explicable? Idk it’s actually really hard. I like that she’s identified icon as the best alternative option, and I think he is scum, but she might be bussing still?

The problem with her play is that the scummy elements in icon were identifiable then, it’s not like he’s magically started being scummy which is why hammering me was bad play when it ended day before that could be addressed

Hmmm. Pops probably does need to die today even though icon would be a better lynch imo. Too much risk that even with ico!scum she chose to hammer me because of my suspicions there and lack of daytalk meaning actions over words.

[Menalque]

How does town!pops spew Luca as scum? I think you might be a lil tunnelled on him tbh

Also I can but not right now haha, I hate breaking cases down from my phone. Basically that wicked is a very logical player and did a good job of creating fakewalls when we were scum together, but would also be lurky and then only produce them when getting pressed ie exactly what he’s doing here. Now, I haven’t played with him as town, so it may just be that he’s lurky and produces walls as that too, but it was worth calling out that a main point of his was the claim that my play this game was similar to C9++ when it’s actually radically different

I’m much more controlled as scum and get emotionally worked up a lot less easily — wimpy vs me basically never happens unless it’s theatre, and it’s not gonna be theatre this game given that there was a lack of daytalk

[Menalque]

Iconeum you're right you're scum and that towncases wicked.

I didn't think about the interrelationships just the independent part.
Pops->wicked is a gamethrow.
At least one and maybe both scum came into today wanting to stick with a lunch pops agenda and not an open agenda.

We know this because the scumkill wasn't datisi, and the main reason for doing that would be control of today's lynch.

Iconeum is being really bad faithy today.
Would like to PC post soon

This is really bad and someone should call it out. It’s borderline tmi but even without that it’s ascribing motives that you can’t know. I think it’s much more likely that datisi lives to create paranoia around her slot, plus the fact that you were softing which no one has picked up on (anyone who does point out you were softing and that’s prob why you were killed has their scum equity go up, btw)