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[bob3141]

And hectic if you were town and town read aaron why arnt you already voting eve.

If you are town and you think aaron is town. Then for eve to not be scum you would either have to be scum or wrong on aaron

[Hopkirk]

If we were both town and Bob was scum who'd his partners be Hectic?

How could Bob be scum? I thought he was confirmed?

If you were town, Titus could in that case be scum.

If scum have a tracker then they tracked Cliff and know who he gave fruit to go could fake confirm Bob.
It's unlikely/we have few enough mislynches to spare that I'm currently treating him as has to be town, but he's not 100% confirmed.

[Hectic]

Remind me why you have such a strong scumread on Aaron?

Why do you town read aaron.

If you town read aaron shoudlnt you be voting eve. as do you real think 11 townies actual managed to agree on one player without one or two of them being scum.

I don't, I think there's 3 or 4 scum in {Eevee, Aaron, Texcat, Hopkirk}.
I'm currently working based off the fact Titus is town and Garmr is scum.
Just wondering why you're more confident about him than the others.

Not that confident about Titus anymore. Hop's reconsideration and gunning for Eevee is weird. Scum!Aaron jumping onto that wagon is still sus though.
Agree about Texcat being ignored by everyone as weird.

[Hopkirk]

Can you go over your Titus townread Hectic?

Out of interest, how has nobody asked Hectic about his read on me changing?

[Hectic]

And hectic if you were town and town read aaron why arnt you already voting eve.

If you are town and you think aaron is town. Then for eve to not be scum you would either have to be scum or wrong on aaron

May I redirect you to 5173.

[Hopkirk]

the traitor certainly though eve was scum no doubt

When he said i dont have PT with eve. As in being traitor not in teh main thread

Hey Bob can we lynch Eevee yet? We're only 2000 posts late.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

[Hopkirk]

I like how Tex's scumread on us relied on her assumption we're not well read/don't know who a very famous American historical figure is.

[Hectic]

If we were both town and Bob was scum who'd his partners be Hectic?

How could Bob be scum? I thought he was confirmed?

If you were town, Titus could in that case be scum.

If scum have a tracker then they tracked Cliff and know who he gave fruit to go could fake confirm Bob.
It's unlikely/we have few enough mislynches to spare that I'm currently treating him as has to be town, but he's not 100% confirmed.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I townread him for loads of other reasons though like the extensive votecount analysis or slowing the lynch on Titus down today.

Can you go over your Titus townread Hectic?

Out of interest, how has nobody asked Hectic about his read on me changing?

Her ISO wasn't that bad and was similar to her play in recent games. Also, I was alarmed at everyone's confidence on voting her near the start of today. Finally, she's been treated as almost consensus scum for quite a while now, and that was after she started attacking Garmr, who is probably scum.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Lul, this is hilarious. Almost want to vote you just for that.

[Hopkirk]

So Texcat, how exactly did

YOU

miss the traitor crumb. Being an American you must have picked up on it. Do you think it's kind of odd that YOU didn't mention it at the time if you're town and thought you saw a traitor crumb.

[Billy Pilgrim]

The reluctance from everyone but Titus voting for Garmr this game is telling. Titus has a point that people are too unwilling to vote for him.
There might be another town in {Hopkirk, Aaron, Eevee, Texcat}, but I'm sure who yet.

Town have being trying to lynch Titus for ages kinda telling if you ask me. But wanna know why it is hard to lynch me?

The confirmed town won't let me get me mislynched.

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Everyone being okay with scum!Titus is kind of telling actually. Makes more sense for her to be town rather than her whole scum team bussing her.
Though, the first couple of people to accuse Titus makes a difference, so need to look back for that.

@conf-townies: What'd you think of Garmr now?

I legit dont know what I think. If scum had a tracker that means there were three trackers in game. With what Rick said earlier that would explain Garmr's report on D1. And him forgetting to input an action last night and not checking Rick even once sort of feels weird.

Now town had a decent bit of power so that could potentially warrant a scum tracker. This is why I wanted to keep Cliff around so we could force claims out of people and then actually check some of the VTs. Now were stuck wading through this mess, and I legit cant make sense of it. Bob's wagon analysis definitely didnt look good for the Hectic/Hopkirk pairing, but I dont know that I disagreed with Hop at least on any of his pushes save this quick turn on Hectic.

I am having trouble with this to be honest. I was hoping that I was gonna die early. So let's try this. Let's see who I have scum read and think maybe they're clears. We may be able to do the same with Lilly. Actually this makes me want to lynch Eevee first. I think we both cleared her like 4 days ago. Let's reassess there.

VOTE: Eevee

[Billy Pilgrim]

Hey rex, did you ever claim? If so what's your role. If not, then you should definitely do it now.

[Hopkirk]

That's all 4 of the confirmed town who scumread Eevee and none of the possible scum scumread Eevee except us iirc Hectic btw

[Hopkirk]

Finally, she's been treated as almost consensus scum for quite a while now, and that was after she started attacking Garmr, who is probably scum.

Can you actually show with quotes where (Texcat, Garmr, Eevee) scumread her? They all seem to townread her.
The vote on her earlier was me/bob/Aaron and you say you townread Aaron/Bob.

[Hectic]

Regardless of your alignment, that's a very good point. I hate how Garmr lives another day but this feels safe:

VOTE: Eevee

[Hectic]

Finally, she's been treated as almost consensus scum for quite a while now, and that was after she started attacking Garmr, who is probably scum.

Can you actually show with quotes where (Texcat, Garmr, Eevee) scumread her? They all seem to townread her.
The vote on her earlier was me/bob/Aaron and you say you townread Aaron/Bob.

I don't townread Aaron... but sure, I'll have a look.

[Hectic]

We should still be lynching Garmr.

+1

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Hmmmmmmm
Elaborate on Titus and Aaron, Texcat.

[Hectic]

VC 2.2

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr Billy Pilgrim

EeveeLution Army - (4):

- Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton,, , AaronFrost,Texcat

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Rick Dalton - (1):

- Carcalilly

AaronFrost - (1):

-bob4131

Not Voting:

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Updated vote count.

So a tldr version of reads

not including masons

I can go into more detail if wanted.
Rick Dalton-town because scum wouldn't argue against the mason claim also I liked them so far.

Titus- Gut and experience with her.

Bob- With experience with both games this is more in line with his town game as he seems more cautious and less involved in his scum unless someone drags him in.

Judge Dread-Actively trying to solve the game, been town reading them for a while.

Cliff- This dwells on the fact if it's multiscum or not due to wagon speed.

Scum

Profii- He contrast the last game I played with him. None of his opinions are to out there his not trying to drive the game and spreading paranoia that will cost town the game.

Hopkirk- Reasons I stated before.

Tchill- His lack of involvement and how his wagon formed.

The rest are nullish.

Will comment on eevee through. They haven't really done much of anything but setup spec isn't a scummy thing to do unless it's information town doesn't have.

VOTE: Titus

Think it was obvious from yesterdays play that titus is scum. Makes the excuse she'll be useful latter as a way to dodge but majority of points brought up weren't related to that.

Garmr actually townreads Titus for the majority of the game despite her pushing him, until yesterday.

[Hopkirk]

So lets see who was on Eevee and who said they'd consider being there

Rick Dalton/Hopkirk/Texcat
Aaron- up for voting Eevee
Dave- up for voting Eevee
Gobble- only not voting as wanted lynch
(6 definite votes)

Billy- maybe.
Eevee- maybe.
JJD- wanted it earlier. Doesn’t acknowledge it now.

Bob- huh, hasn’t done anything in the last week
Titus- against
Kop- Literally didn’t post (except a prod dodge) for the entire 2 week day phase. Not sure why this wasn’t force replaced.
Carcalilly- against
Tchill- ?
Garmr- ?
Hectic- he’d have gone on Eevee but he probably wouldn’t have been online before deadline.
Cliff- hasn’t mentioned Eevee yet this game.

Is anyone saying they think me/Eevee are scum together when I went through calling out everyone who had suspicion on Eevee but wasn't on the wagon, tried to get them to switch wagons, and made a pretty long case https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11300681 trying to push the Eevee wagon over Alonzo after pushing Eevee for several days, and when we still could have gotten the wagon if town actually bothered showing up?

[Hopkirk]

Finally, she's been treated as almost consensus scum for quite a while now, and that was after she started attacking Garmr, who is probably scum.

Can you actually show with quotes where (Texcat, Garmr, Eevee) scumread her? They all seem to townread her.
The vote on her earlier was me/bob/Aaron and you say you townread Aaron/Bob.

I don't townread Aaron... but sure, I'll have a look.

So Tex and Eevee don't want to lynch Titus or Garmr here. I'm really surprised you haven't noticed this.

[Hopkirk]

Finally, she's been treated as almost consensus scum for quite a while now, and that was after she started attacking Garmr, who is probably scum.

Can you actually show with quotes where (Texcat, Garmr, Eevee) scumread her? They all seem to townread her.
The vote on her earlier was me/bob/Aaron and you say you townread Aaron/Bob.

I don't townread Aaron... but sure, I'll have a look.

So Tex and Eevee don't want to lynch Titus or Garmr here. I'm really surprised you haven't noticed this.

Actually scratch that, Eevee doesn't want to lynch them but Tex voted Garmr.

[Hectic]

I'm starting to not feel anxious about Titus but I don't know why.

I can dig this. Theres a few posts that are a bit like "this post could be scummy, but might not be"

As in, I need to manufacture a reason to vote here, but also need to backtrack later

VOTE: titus

i think i can push this vote now.

Vig should shoot Eevee.

I agree with this. Titus is still a null for me and we can sort her tomorrow.

like i said idc about dying. but lynch titus tomorrow when i flip :>

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

see at no point did he actualy give a reason for titus vote.

If he only had feeling and no reasoning why was his vote there all day 2

Even when he finaly voted titus. all he said i can vote here now.

Now added reasoning

Cant see his titus vote being anythign other than a vanity vote

yeah i never really had good reasoning on titus. but i still think hes scum.

but what do you mean by vanity here pride or worthless?

like i said. scum are titus and dave

sad that my scumread got confirmed town. what roles can actually do that in a normal? publishing cop?

And that's a sad thing why? Because you're scum and can't push that mislynch anymore?

Scum pool right now (in the event Cliff flips town) is {Eevee, Kop, Titus, tex, Hopkirk, Hectic}

Mostly slots with low content who've been sitting back watching town destroy itself.

In the event Cliff flips scum, Dalton could be a partner. Not too sure who else atm.

Cause it means titus is probably town too. And that leaves all my scumreads gone

Okay. So that leaves. Titus(town cause dave is town)
Aaron(who is being helpful)
And kop(who im still convinced isnt a real person)

aaron tex garmr titus then probably a vt/unclaimed.

Eevee has Titus as their main scumread for the majority of the game, until Dave is confirmed as town? Don't remember why town!Dave implies town!Titus but whatever.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Alonzo

We need to consolidate

Traitor moved off Eevee right after Tex voted and a while before deadline.

[Hectic]

This pretty frustrating, you've made me doubt myself enough again.
Though I will say, since scum are aware that the lynch is most likely going to fall into the conftown hands, they won't be afraid to bus early on today since they're aware conftown could make them change. Though, that also puts my logic on Titus being voted for early on in doubt.
Still townread her lolhammer though.