Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Iconeum]

i think ur misinterpreting my second question 'who's against pops lynch'

[popsofctown]

I don't hunt preflip assocs. I'm trying out the notion for the first time today, because for the first time in memorable history I'm looking at 5p LyLo. But it's not my style, I like to find independently scummy people. Going into day2 Iconeum and wickedjestr were the two scummiest people. So when Datisi says "can you scumcase Iconeum over wicked for me" I'm kind of like meh they could both be right.

Looking at the associations yesterday, though, a wicked/Iconeum team indeed doesn't look great. Wicked was really poorly positioned when he made the case on Menalque, and Iconeum jumped onboard with it as a right hand man, when Iconeum was doing pretty well at that time. It's very high risk if the Menalque mislynch is successful and later becomes perceived as scum motivated, because it contaminated Iconeum alongside wicked's weak slot, when wicked's positioning at that time would counsel for discarding wicked and getting Iconeum a solo win. It's not even necessary to be on the Menalque wagon for wicked to recover on his own in that scenario, it's defensible to say "I don't think it's Menalque but I think wicked's thought process was townie". Indeed, I made my own variant of that statement, not wanting to lynch (cough or out the role of) Menalque until later in spite of the post improving my opinion of wicked.


I want to point out that Iconeum is not even a caricature of town motivated questioning right now, though. Why does town!Iconeum give a rat's tail about my thought process for a Iconeum/wicked team. town!Iconeum ostensibly thinks I'm 85%+ to flip red given that he hasn't suggested today should be a serious discussion on whether to lynch me. Therefore when I flip red, there's only one mafia left, and Iconeum and wicked can only be scum together if Plum is also scum.
Does he want to hear my thought process so he can defeat it? like, why? why does he

care

?
Datisi asking why I left out emps was a town motivated question, a red-carded player could have trouble answering that question in a way that doesn't give away whether emps is or isn't a partner.
WHY IS ICONEUM DISMISSING THE IDEA OF NOT LYNCHING ME TODAY, BUT ALSO ASKING ME QUESTIONS THAT ARE IRRELEVANT IF I'M MAFIA?

Who's acting in bad faith here huh? Did you notice i'm not voting for you? I still want your reasons for putting wicked in a scumteam with me when you did it. You can talk all about how you think wicked/ico does NOT make sense now, but you made a clear and cut case that you DID think so earlier.
Why do I care so much about that? Because I wanna try and win this game. I don't know who your partner is. Hell, I don't even know ur scum.

HOW DOES LEARNING ABOUT A SCUMTEAM YOU KNOW CANNOT EXIST WIN YOU THE GAME?

but yes I noticed you're not voting me
and noticed that withholding a vote on me while making dismissive summaries like "we're lynching pops today", and "who's against just going pops let me know and we'll talk about it" shortens the actual day length of the day containing my mislynch far more than the BBcode prompting people to treat the lynch with gravitas
so of course that only made me more concerned
I am really confused about you scumcasing yourself on that point really

[popsofctown]

i think ur misinterpreting my second question 'who's against pops lynch'

oh you didn't even want to discuss it? my bad. Go back to bragging about not voting me mr. "undecided about my alignment"

[popsofctown]

I still have my color macro from Magical girls mafia
starting with wickedejstr's next post I'm gonna start using it to bring joy into this game

[Iconeum]

i have colours disable in my browser

[Iconeum]

i think ur misinterpreting my second question 'who's against pops lynch'

oh you didn't even want to discuss it? my bad. Go back to bragging about not voting me mr. "undecided about my alignment"

the fact i bothered to post that suggests otherwise, no?

[Iconeum]

like

you think i posted that with a tone of 'is anyone against pops lynch? no? good let's go'

while i actually was genuinly interested if there's actual opposition to your potential lynch

which is kinda important

[popsofctown]

Yes I am interpreting it in context with "we're going pops today"

your recharacterization is ahistorical when your iso also includes "we're going pops today"

I think I would have gone for the strat of hoping no one listens to pops but I see you are going for the gaslight angle and I also respect that strat

[Iconeum]

i don't even know what gaslighting means

[popsofctown]

it means you convince that events they personally experienced did not happen by telling them repeatedly they didn't happen.
its term originates in a film that was either silent or a talkie where a guy kept murdering people in his home even when his wife was home, and the gaslights would always flicker when he did it, and when she complained and asked about the screams he would always tell her he was there all night and didn't hear any screaming, what is she talking about

[popsofctown]

*what are you talking about

[Iconeum]

i don't know what ur talking about here tho

so what exactly am i doing according to you?

[popsofctown]

you acted very conclusory about my being lynched today

then you switched to "i have never been conclusory about pops' lynch today i am trying to sort her by asking super relevant questions like why does she believe a scumteam I know can't exist exist out of the 200 things in her iso that's what I ask about"

now you've cast a vote, which is conclusory about my lynch today

but actually no more conclusory than you've already been

[popsofctown]

i'm happy to accept a 180 characterization on jester ftr
I am a prize he had to chase me now we are Datisi's favorite shipping

[popsofctown]

Iconeum how come you never show up before I've opened the bottle

are you a genie

[Datisi]

Ok I'm awake read the last few pages and uhhh

Pops, did you ever say what made you change your mind on Wicked? Who's icon's partner?

[Iconeum]

you acted very conclusory about my being lynched today

then you switched to "i have never been conclusory about pops' lynch today i am trying to sort her by asking super relevant questions like why does she believe a scumteam I know can't exist exist out of the 200 things in her iso that's what I ask about"

now you've cast a vote, which is conclusory about my lynch today

but actually no more conclusory than you've already been

why are you focusing on me being 'conclusory' about you, when pretty much every single player is doing that?

[popsofctown]

I have a temptation to slacken up
and be like my reads are right or at least my best shot
i can just eat this mislynch i can somewhat empathize with and then whine postgame if eveyrone doesn't follow at least half my solve
but i really need to play to win and not play to toldyouso
not saying i am confident in my reads
mafia is hard
i am really confident in the reasoning for my reads

[popsofctown]

you acted very conclusory about my being lynched today

then you switched to "i have never been conclusory about pops' lynch today i am trying to sort her by asking super relevant questions like why does she believe a scumteam I know can't exist exist out of the 200 things in her iso that's what I ask about"

now you've cast a vote, which is conclusory about my lynch today

but actually no more conclusory than you've already been

why are you focusing on me being 'conclusory' about you, when pretty much every single player is doing that?

lovely new clothes emperor, Luca Blight and wicked are far from conclusory and emps actually feels the need to explain his thought process for arriving at a scumread and exposing himself in that way rather than just being 'yeah ok obviously we're doing this'

SO NOW YOU ADMIT TO BEING CONCLUSORY THO
YOU SWITCHED AGAIN
GASLIGHT STRAT IS OVER
WE'RE GOING ELECTRIC

[popsofctown]

Ok I'm awake read the last few pages and uhhh

Pops, did you ever say what made you change your mind on Wicked? Who's icon's partner?

it has to be Alimdia. if it's you, Luca, emps, or wicked, it's a deepwolfing, with an asterisk on emps that i've been over

[Datisi]

Okay, but did you actually say why scum!icon points to town!wicked?

[popsofctown]

i changed my mind on wicked because it makes no sense to TR me right now and it made no reason to scumcase Menalque at the timing he did

Also none of his posts actually suck besides the first few and I think we're all confbiased

he sounds like he's sorting the game in later posts

[popsofctown]

I don't hunt preflip assocs. I'm trying out the notion for the first time today, because for the first time in memorable history I'm looking at 5p LyLo. But it's not my style, I like to find independently scummy people. Going into day2 Iconeum and wickedjestr were the two scummiest people. So when Datisi says "can you scumcase Iconeum over wicked for me" I'm kind of like meh they could both be right.

Looking at the associations yesterday, though, a wicked/Iconeum team indeed doesn't look great. Wicked was really poorly positioned when he made the case on Menalque, and Iconeum jumped onboard with it as a right hand man, when Iconeum was doing pretty well at that time. It's very high risk if the Menalque mislynch is successful and later becomes perceived as scum motivated, because it contaminated Iconeum alongside wicked's weak slot, when wicked's positioning at that time would counsel for discarding wicked and getting Iconeum a solo win. It's not even necessary to be on the Menalque wagon for wicked to recover on his own in that scenario, it's defensible to say "I don't think it's Menalque but I think wicked's thought process was townie". Indeed, I made my own variant of that statement, not wanting to lynch (cough or out the role of) Menalque until later in spite of the post improving my opinion of wicked.


I want to point out that Iconeum is not even a caricature of town motivated questioning right now, though. Why does town!Iconeum give a rat's tail about my thought process for a Iconeum/wicked team. town!Iconeum ostensibly thinks I'm 85%+ to flip red given that he hasn't suggested today should be a serious discussion on whether to lynch me. Therefore when I flip red, there's only one mafia left, and Iconeum and wicked can only be scum together if Plum is also scum.
Does he want to hear my thought process so he can defeat it? like, why? why does he

care

?
Datisi asking why I left out emps was a town motivated question, a red-carded player could have trouble answering that question in a way that doesn't give away whether emps is or isn't a partner.
WHY IS ICONEUM DISMISSING THE IDEA OF NOT LYNCHING ME TODAY, BUT ALSO ASKING ME QUESTIONS THAT ARE IRRELEVANT IF I'M MAFIA?

[Iconeum]

i changed my mind on wicked because it makes no sense to TR me right now and it made no reason to scumcase Menalque at the timing he did

Also none of his posts actually suck besides the first few and I think we're all confbiased

he sounds like he's sorting the game in later posts

logical conclusion

that you arrived to after taking heat for scumreading wicked

[popsofctown]

middle paragraph of that post

also iconeum was on wicked wagon and I don't see it as a bus