Newbie 1964 [Game Over]

[BBmolla]

BBM - you gotta explain how you both think I'm scum but are comfortable going to my second preferred lynch when you left me.

bro read my posts I liked your reaction to my vote

aka I don't think you're scum

[Billy Pilgrim]

350, you leave your vote of me but in explaining you say I dont have a guilty or an innocent, I just think hes scum
That post was already after my response. The next post you said you thought my response was townish. Then in a later post you said the scumreads on you were garbage. So now you're shading me since at that point there were three people expressing concerns, but I'm the only one voting you at that point.

If you dont start expressing some thoughts I'm gonna have trouble town reading you.

[bepwei]

BBM - you gotta explain how you both think I'm scum but are comfortable going to my second preferred lynch when you left me.

bro read my posts I liked your reaction to my vote

aka I don't think you're scum

Why DID you think Billy was scum?

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Becauae hes worse at reading then me

[BBmolla]

350, you leave your vote of me but in explaining you say I dont have a guilty or an innocent, I just think hes scum
That post was already after my response. The next post you said you thought my response was townish. Then in a later post you said the scumreads on you were garbage. So now you're shading me since at that point there were three people expressing concerns, but I'm the only one voting you at that point.

If you dont start expressing some thoughts I'm gonna have trouble town reading you.

Is there a question in here

What is unclear to you?

And are you threatening me or something lmfao

“Express more thoughts... OR ELSE”

[BBmolla]

Literally the post after your response is me unvoting are you fucking blind lmfao

[Heavy Anaconda]

Just make the third vote, Micc.
You know you want to

What are you trying to accomplish with this post?

I'm trying to point out how scummy you are.

As I implied, you were looking for approval to push Bepwei's wagon. I believe if you were really not looking to push that wagon, you would have voiced opinions directly against it or remained silent.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I dont know what I'd be threatening you with. What I had said is that I was gonna have trouble town reading you if you dont provide thoughts. Theres still a question from Bep above toward you that I think I'd like an answer to as well.

What I was outlining was the consistency. Yeah, I think I'm good with my vote.

In response to 380, yes, you unvoted me to vote Bepwei based on the nk tell, you didn't mention that my response was townish until a bit later.

I meant to have a question in there. What scumreads on you are garbage and why?

[BBmolla]

BBM - you gotta explain how you both think I'm scum but are comfortable going to my second preferred lynch when you left me.

bro read my posts I liked your reaction to my vote

aka I don't think you're scum

Why DID you think Billy was scum?

When it became obvious Guilded was town, Billy looked like scum at that point

I’m not on computer so I can’t quote anything, just interactions wise

[BBmolla]

All of them cause I’m Town and I think I’m obviously so

Miccs fucking fence sitting is garbage too

I town better under pressure

[skitter30]

Vote Count 2.2

bepwei (1) ~

bbmolla

bbmolla (1) ~

billy pilgrim

not voting (5) ~

gyro zeppeli, bepwei, micc, heavy anacona, karnage

with 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-23 23:00:00)

mod notes:

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[Micc]

Just make the third vote, Micc.
You know you want to

What are you trying to accomplish with this post?

I'm trying to point out how scummy you are.

As I implied, you were looking for approval to push Bepwei's wagon. I believe if you were really not looking to push that wagon, you would have voiced opinions directly against it or remained silent.

You’re also implying you want approval to make a wagon on me. I believe if you were really looking to push my wagon you would have stated your case directly and/or voted me.

[Micc]

VOTE: Gyro

Not doing this yesterday was a mistake

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gyro

[Heavy Anaconda]

Just make the third vote, Micc.
You know you want to

What are you trying to accomplish with this post?

I'm trying to point out how scummy you are.

As I implied, you were looking for approval to push Bepwei's wagon. I believe if you were really not looking to push that wagon, you would have voiced opinions directly against it or remained silent.

You’re also implying you want approval to make a wagon on me. I believe if you were really looking to push my wagon you would have stated your case directly and/or voted me.

heh, I guess that

would

be a judgment call for the town.

Here is my relevant post.

I gonna vote Micc again

Here is Micc's

Can you guys sell me on bepwei?

Does town agree or disagree that my post means the same thing as Micc's?

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Ok so Im assuming one of Micc Bb is scum then trying to push me because its an easy lynch

[bepwei]

VOTE: Gyro

Not doing this yesterday was a mistake

This early in D2? I feel like we were in the middle of throwing accusations and that whole conversation stopped because you want to policy Lynch. Maybe wait on this until closer to EOD.

And you guys will ask my thoughts of who to lynch and frankly I don’t know. I dislike the reluctance to vote from Micc but i don’t necessarily blame him. The random change in BB’s behavior is interesting but i believe it to be NAI. In fact I think it makes me like him better, but the short responses earlier and seemingly voting for no reason didn’t sit well with me.

[BBmolla]

Ok so Im assuming one of Micc Bb is scum then trying to push me because its an easy lynch

I don’t want you in LYLO it’s that simple

[Billy Pilgrim]

So I did something I haven't done on this forum yet and checked the dead guy's reads. I did that, because this was a game with very few posts, but Arkias seemed to have about an average number of posts, and to me didnt seem to be driving things. I seemed to be his initial preference for a lynch, and while I think he got one other person to vote me, it stopped there. Then, while he doesnt ever abandon his scumread of me, from what I can tell he calls out BBM for sheeping. That is while he is in an extended 1v1 with Micc, where neither of them really scumread each other. About a day and a half after he votes BBM, he goes over to Jones and puts him at L-1. After that he clarifies that he townreads Micc.

The biggest part of his participation was him defending Gyro.

Now I can think of a few motivations for any kill.

1) kill off a town leader - seems inapplicable here.
2) kill a likely pr - I didnt see any crumbs so again unlikely (and BBM would have been the obvious call here)
3) kill someone because they got the scum team
4) kill someone because they townread the scum team to lock in the townread
5) kill someone that's being scumread in order to frame it under scenario 3.

If its 4, then Gyro is scum.

If its 3 then scum is in me and BB.

If its 5, then I need to think a bit about it. If its 5 then I need to think about who pushed me and BBM at the beginning of the day.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok so Im assuming one of Micc Bb is scum then trying to push me because its an easy lynch

I don’t want you in LYLO it’s that simple

@Gyro, yeah, you need to do a little bit more. I'm also uncomfortable with you in LYLO.

[bepwei]

@Billy another reason could be straight confusion. To send us down a wild goose chase. I’m leaning toward that because there wasn’t a whole lot of information to begin with. A NK like you said gives info and it isn’t super obvious which one happened right now. Is there one option you think is more likely to have occurred.

[Micc]

VOTE: Gyro

Not doing this yesterday was a mistake

This early in D2? I feel like we were in the middle of throwing accusations and that whole conversation stopped because you want to policy Lynch. Maybe wait on this until closer to EOD.

And you guys will ask my thoughts of who to lynch and frankly I don’t know. I dislike the reluctance to vote from Micc but i don’t necessarily blame him. The random change in BB’s behavior is interesting but i believe it to be NAI. In fact I think it makes me like him better, but the short responses earlier and seemingly voting for no reason didn’t sit well with me.

frankly, i don't know either.

I'm trying to find people in this game to town read and having a hard time. i helped lead a lynch that no one wanted to support day 1 and missed. day 2 i give people the chance to lead their own lynch, to convince me to go in their direction and no one cares to take it. That's where the conversation stopped from my point of view.

Whenever I scale out to think about this game on a holistic level I come back to how obvious it is that gyro isn't even trying to be helpful here. it's hard to justify not lynching him. so that's what I'm doing.

[Karnage]

sorry been crazy busy IRL

Really don't like Micc's move to a gyro lynch at this point and like BB sheeping (again) even less

will be back in a little bit to flesh out my thoughts

[Micc]

yeah please do that. then make a vote.

there's way too much apathy in the four of you who aren't voting right now.

[BBmolla]

The only thing I took away from the night kill is they don’t think I’m a PR